2008-06-02T00:13:16 *** kbeswick has quit IRC 2008-06-02T00:46:47 *** dbs has quit IRC 2008-06-02T03:56:28 *** ibbo has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-06-02T06:14:54 *** ibbo has quit IRC 2008-06-02T08:09:52 *** kbeswick has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-06-02T08:31:04 *** Slazer has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-06-02T08:51:06 *** dbs has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-06-02T08:51:37 argh - despite miker_'s reminder, I forgot to update the status of the checked out items 2008-06-02T08:53:41 *** Karen__ has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-06-02T08:59:58 *** phasefx has quit IRC 2008-06-02T09:09:39 *** Karen___ has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-06-02T09:17:40 *** dmcmorris_esi has joined #OPENILS-EVERGREEN 2008-06-02T09:22:28 *** Karen__ has quit IRC 2008-06-02T09:43:06 *** Karen___ has left #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-06-02T09:43:18 *** Karen___ has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-06-02T09:48:41 *** pmurray_away is now known as pmurray 2008-06-02T09:58:28 *** dbs is now known as narcissus 2008-06-02T10:04:51 *** dmcmorris_esi has quit IRC 2008-06-02T10:04:51 *** dmcmorris_dt has quit IRC 2008-06-02T10:06:27 *** dmcmorris_esi has joined #OPENILS-EVERGREEN 2008-06-02T10:10:16 *** dmcmorris_esi has quit IRC 2008-06-02T10:15:59 *** phasefx has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-06-02T10:18:36 *** dmcmorris_esi has joined #OPENILS-EVERGREEN 2008-06-02T10:18:45 * narcissus summons grant 2008-06-02T10:18:49 *** narcissus is now known as dbs 2008-06-02T10:19:01 *** GrantJ has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-06-02T10:19:07 GrantJ: ! 2008-06-02T10:19:11 Hi 2008-06-02T10:19:34 dbs pasted "Registered workstations" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/61576 2008-06-02T10:20:15 So - of the registered workstations in the link I just posted... 2008-06-02T10:20:24 which one are you running your tests with? 2008-06-02T10:21:19 So the Owning lobrary is the physical location of the workstation. 2008-06-02T10:21:23 That makes sense! 2008-06-02T10:21:47 I was using UNI-LINC 2008-06-02T10:22:01 Heh :) 2008-06-02T10:22:13 Let me try UPEI-Grant. 2008-06-02T10:23:51 Gosh that was easy! 2008-06-02T10:24:50 Can I chabge that on the wkstn or just modify the db. 2008-06-02T10:26:52 GrantJ: please don't modify the db ... that will cause confusion with any existing data 2008-06-02T10:26:56 *** dmcmorris_esi has left #OPENILS-EVERGREEN 2008-06-02T10:27:32 GrantJ: easiest thing is to remove the ws_info file on the client. that will force a reregistration 2008-06-02T10:28:08 http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-user:registering_staff_client_to_different_working_locations 2008-06-02T10:28:21 s/easiest/best/ 2008-06-02T10:28:40 dbs++ 2008-06-02T10:28:49 ok ... /me gets on the road 2008-06-02T10:29:14 rock and roll, miker_ 2008-06-02T10:37:05 OK 2008-06-02T10:37:21 We'dd remove that file on the wkstns. 2008-06-02T10:41:36 sounds good. 2008-06-02T10:43:54 *** Karen__ has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-06-02T10:48:22 Deleting the ws_info file doesn't prompt me to re-register the wkstn. 2008-06-02T10:48:59 ws_info was deleted while staff client was shut down? 2008-06-02T10:49:16 yes 2008-06-02T10:49:58 You could get hardcode and (while staff client is shut down) rename C:\Documents and Settings\\OpenILS to something else 2008-06-02T10:50:05 and if this is in Windows, which location did you delete from? C:\Documents and Settings\User\Application Date\ should lead to the right set of directories.. 2008-06-02T10:50:06 err, hardCORE 2008-06-02T10:50:39 there's another directory that appears to mirror Application Data.. something like Local Settings\Application Data, and deleting that doesn't do anything 2008-06-02T10:51:09 I removed it from Program Files 2008-06-02T10:51:09 right 2008-06-02T10:51:12 Lemme see 2008-06-02T10:51:17 ah! 2008-06-02T10:57:27 The file doesn't exist on my HDD and still no prompt. 2008-06-02T10:58:41 you shouldn't see a workstation label when you invoke the program then, and you'll get prompted as you try to login 2008-06-02T10:59:32 But I do! 2008-06-02T10:59:43 I'm trying a reinstall. 2008-06-02T10:59:49 wait 2008-06-02T10:59:52 wait 2008-06-02T11:00:01 wait 2008-06-02T11:00:16 Did you find C:\Documents and Settings\\Application Data\OpenILS ? 2008-06-02T11:00:26 no 2008-06-02T11:00:37 if you edit the properties for your shortcut and add -console, you'll get a debug window. This will spit out the exact path being used for ws_info when you start up the program 2008-06-02T11:01:01 okay - windows is probably hiding files from you, "helpfully" 2008-06-02T11:01:36 My ws_info is in C:\Documents and Settings\Reference\Application Data\OpenILS\open_ils_staff_client\Profiles\lmmcozaq.default\chrome\ 2008-06-02T11:02:04 "Reference" is the name of the user, and "lmmcozaq.default" is the randomly-generated profile name 2008-06-02T11:02:54 In Windows Explorer, you can choose "Tools->Folder Options"; go to the "View" tab, and select "Show hidden files and folders" 2008-06-02T11:03:14 Ya! 2008-06-02T11:03:55 z3ziyy4y.default it's random 2008-06-02T11:05:07 I love Windows.... Do a search for a file that exists and don't find it. So helpful! 2008-06-02T11:05:22 Better 2008-06-02T11:06:10 Can Paul copy the circ files in? 2008-06-02T11:06:16 Thanks you ... 2008-06-02T11:07:10 Is a restart of Perl required? 2008-06-02T11:08:50 shouldn't hurt 2008-06-02T11:09:23 What if there are others logged in to the Staff Client. 2008-06-02T11:10:05 Should be in a Maintenance window normally... 2008-06-02T11:10:33 *** ppound has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-06-02T11:11:19 GrantJ: if someone tries to use a perl service while it's restarting, they will get an error. But I think sessions should persist via memcached 2008-06-02T11:11:49 could just drop in the circ rules and test to see if they're taking effect before trying any restarts 2008-06-02T11:12:05 That's what we'll do 2008-06-02T11:42:23 Huh. Reading this: http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-user:registering_staff_client_to_different_working_locations ... I just think, couldn't you just set up extra hostnames at the server to allow you to map hostnames to different org units? 2008-06-02T11:46:56 could also expedite the development of a workstation switcher on the login window. Folks want it, just not bad enough to push for it :) 2008-06-02T12:23:08 kind of like a locale switcher 2008-06-02T12:23:25 the login window is going to need a menu of its own 2008-06-02T12:36:41 *** eeevil has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-06-02T13:46:38 your fast-twitch muscles are most impressive, eeevil 2008-06-02T13:46:57 :) 2008-06-02T13:47:11 I figured that in-SC time would do a body at UPEI good ;) 2008-06-02T13:52:14 *** pmurray is now known as pmurray_away 2008-06-02T14:05:45 Oh, for sure 2008-06-02T14:05:57 part of the ongoing edumification 2008-06-02T14:10:32 I was wondering idly today about whether, as Evergreen grows, it would make sense to offer Subversion space (in ILS-Contrib, say) where projects can maintain their circ rules, etc 2008-06-02T14:11:16 dbs: for some reason, i feel like people don't like to publicise those things, but i could be wrong 2008-06-02T14:11:28 Particularly if there was some local documentation to go along with the rules, it might offer some good starting points for new sites 2008-06-02T14:12:14 berick: I thought about that a bit, but (at least for academics) all of that information is readily available via web sites / brochures 2008-06-02T14:12:44 yeah, same for pubs, for the most part 2008-06-02T14:12:45 "Oh, I'm an undergrad and get a max of 15 21-day loans, but faculty get unlimited 120-day loans?" 2008-06-02T14:13:23 If the people that would be offended are busily parsing JavaScript files, well... they're probably going to be offended by _something_ 2008-06-02T14:13:31 haha 2008-06-02T14:13:33 dbs++ 2008-06-02T14:13:35 good point 2008-06-02T14:14:08 it's my understanding that most circ rules will be moving to the database in the future, except for for the weird cases, though. am i mistaken? 2008-06-02T14:14:21 btw, i did some early poking at the in-db circ rules this weekend. i think that might become my next Plane Project 2008-06-02T14:14:24 heh 2008-06-02T14:14:25 as a corollary, I was wondering whether in the 2.0 time frame it might make sense to move most of the /Evergreen subdirectory into something like ILS-Contrib 2008-06-02T14:15:05 skmurphy: true, true 2008-06-02T14:15:13 dbs: yes. in fact, on my old whiteboard i had a bullet for 1.4 that read "Kill Evergreen/" ;) 2008-06-02T14:15:16 which amused mike 2008-06-02T14:15:56 berick_plane_projects++ 2008-06-02T14:16:25 dbs: more i think about it, i like that idea (ils-contrib). there's a lot of info to share 2008-06-02T14:16:56 btw - I started having a horrible idea of moving the base serials MFHD parsing back to python, and just wrap the perl "plain english" date parser module in an opensrf wrapper 2008-06-02T14:17:20 convoluted, yes. but python! 2008-06-02T14:18:11 heh 2008-06-02T14:18:25 dbs: what was the tipping point? 2008-06-02T14:19:02 tipping point of moving to Perl? mostly that the python parsedatetime module turned out to be pretty limited 2008-06-02T14:19:25 no, of considering moving back to Python 2008-06-02T14:19:57 berick: oh, just that I like Python and want to complicate evergreen ever further 2008-06-02T14:21:03 hah 2008-06-02T14:21:31 it's amazing how having the bulk of a migration off your back makes you think about all the wonderful things you could start working on again 2008-06-02T14:22:19 as an aside, berick - so you ran into Hardy xulrunner problems against rel_1_2_2_0 ? 2008-06-02T14:24:09 XulG not found or whatever? 2008-06-02T14:24:10 dbs: yep, with the user editor, which, IIR, is a known issue 2008-06-02T14:24:13 yeah 2008-06-02T14:26:41 *** Slaze1 has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-06-02T14:27:27 *** kbeswick_ has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-06-02T14:39:09 dbs: re post-migration brainstorming, just imagine knowing that you've got another (4) coming up over the next few weekends 2008-06-02T14:39:28 *** dbs_ has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-06-02T14:39:51 kbeswick_: just the man I wanted to see! :) 2008-06-02T14:39:56 sup dude 2008-06-02T14:39:57 *** dbs has quit IRC 2008-06-02T14:40:00 *** dbs_ is now known as dbs 2008-06-02T14:40:16 well - I've never tried it with 1.2.2.0 2008-06-02T14:40:57 but believed jfink's assertion that hardy xulrunner + 1.2.2.0 was fine - maybe he never tried the user editor 2008-06-02T14:41:10 power_outages-- 2008-06-02T14:41:47 i was in the bathroom when the lights went out 2008-06-02T14:41:53 i was scared 2008-06-02T14:42:05 kbeswick_: re your autotools patch, I've been pondering library versioning. it will be important as opensrf evolves, so somthing like libopensrf.so.1.0.0 symlinked down to .so.1.0, .so.1 and .so would be useful, methinks ... and, IIRC, there are autotools mechanisms for putting that into the .so as well 2008-06-02T14:42:24 dbs: while you were out (for 10s): 2008-06-02T14:42:27 dbs: re post-migration brainstorming, just imagine knowing that you've got another (4) coming up over the next few weekends 2008-06-02T14:42:46 oh you poor bastards 2008-06-02T14:42:51 *** kbeswick has quit IRC 2008-06-02T14:43:05 oh wait - that's the business you're in! oh, you rich bastards! 2008-06-02T14:43:13 *** Slazer has quit IRC 2008-06-02T14:43:23 dbs: and at least 30 more by the end of the year, as it stands ... 2008-06-02T14:43:26 eeevil: yes, i didnt know if you wanted that left in. it does it by default, but i just added some commands to get rid of them 2008-06-02T14:43:47 kbeswick_: in is good, I think 2008-06-02T14:43:59 kbeswick_: hey, didn't I say it was okay to have those linkies? 2008-06-02T14:44:04 it's just a matter of figuring out how to easily set that at packing time, I think 2008-06-02T14:44:36 berick: so ... that's what I was thinking of before :) 2008-06-02T14:44:44 dbs: you did. i just never took out the commands to get rid of them 2008-06-02T14:44:50 hah! 2008-06-02T14:45:07 berick pasted "make output for kbeswick" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/61588 2008-06-02T14:45:22 * berick nods at eeevil 2008-06-02T14:45:50 ha HA! that's large file support :) 2008-06-02T14:46:27 kbeswick_: are you sure you don't have those includes tucked away in a standard location on your system? 2008-06-02T14:46:31 *** Slaze1 is now known as Slazer 2008-06-02T14:46:32 maybe from a previous compile? 2008-06-02T14:47:42 dbs: ive tested on clean images of ubuntu and debian 2008-06-02T14:47:45 oh noze, we lost our -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE! 2008-06-02T14:47:50 berick annotated #61588 with "includes (-I) from above" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/61588#1 2008-06-02T14:49:43 yeah, looks like $(abs_top_builddir) is empty 2008-06-02T14:49:48 ahh 2008-06-02T14:50:16 it would be just as easy to do it with "../../include/"? 2008-06-02T14:51:01 the only reason i changed it to an absolute path is because i was getting an error earlier on about a relative path, and i couldnt figure out what was causing it 2008-06-02T14:51:10 but i dont think it was that. 2008-06-02T14:51:16 kbeswick_: yeah.. abs_top_builddir is cleaner, though. i'm really curious why it's not working 2008-06-02T14:51:26 yeah, it definitely works for me 2008-06-02T14:52:15 Slazer: so, uh - any chance you could publish your whole branch somewhere so that I can just pull it all at once? Since I'm so damned behind on reviewing your patches? 2008-06-02T14:52:36 I can set up an account on a local box that you can sftp to... 2008-06-02T14:53:24 Hmmm, I think I can do that, yeah. 2008-06-02T14:53:39 kbeswick_: in Makefile, is abs_top_builddir defined somewhere? in mine, it's used (-I$(abs_top_builddir)/include/), but not defined. 2008-06-02T14:53:45 * berick wonders if he skipped a set somewhere.. 2008-06-02T14:53:49 s/set/step/ 2008-06-02T14:54:03 its defined by autoconf i think 2008-06-02T14:54:17 i didnt have to define it myself 2008-06-02T14:54:49 Slazer: more-or-less following: http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.dev/en/user-guide/index.html#publishing-a-branch 2008-06-02T14:56:18 berick: i just confirmed with the documentation, they are preset by autoconf 2008-06-02T14:57:42 kbeswick_: what's bothering me is that Makefile makes use of the variable [-I$(abs_top_builddir)/include/], but the variable is not set in the makefile anywhere. it doesn't get passed in as an environment variable either. 2008-06-02T14:58:43 dbs: Alright, so you set up an account for me to do bzr merge sftp:// .... blah blah blah to and that's that? 2008-06-02T14:59:03 that's that 2008-06-02T14:59:19 Alright. 2008-06-02T14:59:41 specifically, you publish to /home/slazer/public_html/ and I pull from http:///~slazer/ 2008-06-02T14:59:53 credentials coming via email 2008-06-02T15:00:09 kbeswick_: would you mind pasting the output of 'grep abs_top_builddir *' in your top-level opensrf directory? 2008-06-02T15:01:58 kbeswick_ pasted "output of grep for berick" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/61589 2008-06-02T15:03:18 yep, same here. hmm 2008-06-02T15:03:20 * dbs wonders whether abs_top_builddir is getting set after OSRF_INC is set 2008-06-02T15:03:29 (not having looked at the new patch at all, mind you) 2008-06-02T15:04:47 *** dmcmorris_esi has joined #OPENILS-EVERGREEN 2008-06-02T15:13:07 kbeswick_: I followed the suggestion here it it's getting set now: http://www.mail-archive.com/bug-automake@gnu.org/msg00168.html 2008-06-02T15:13:32 to, configure.ac, I added: 2008-06-02T15:13:33 AC_SUBST([abs_top_builddir]) 2008-06-02T15:13:42 * berick shrugs 2008-06-02T15:13:55 excellent 2008-06-02T15:14:36 now you'll run into the other problems that i found after i submitted ;) 2008-06-02T15:15:07 heh, that's progress ;) 2008-06-02T15:15:14 well, mainly, the mod_placeholder.so one 2008-06-02T15:15:18 which doesn't work in debian 2008-06-02T15:15:20 ahh, yeah 2008-06-02T15:15:31 wow, that's a lotta make output 2008-06-02T15:15:32 and the one you suggested to use in debian doesnt work in ubuntu 2008-06-02T15:15:35 haha 2008-06-02T15:17:08 hmm 2008-06-02T15:17:40 *** dmcmorris_esi has left #OPENILS-EVERGREEN 2008-06-02T15:18:56 i thought my generic Makefile.install worked with ubuntu 2008-06-02T15:19:03 re: apache / mod_placeholder 2008-06-02T15:19:04 it does 2008-06-02T15:19:14 the mod_placeholder works with ubuntu 2008-06-02T15:19:20 it didnt work when i tested it on debian 2008-06-02T15:20:08 ok 2008-06-02T15:20:11 strange.. 2008-06-02T15:22:17 kbeswick_: is it possible to first check if --disable-install-python is not set, then test for the existence of python-dev? 2008-06-02T15:22:23 * berick fires bombs at kbeswick_ 2008-06-02T15:22:45 yes 2008-06-02T15:22:57 thats what i have it doing for python, and python-setuptools 2008-06-02T15:23:40 oh, in your email, i thought you said you removed the python-dev check 2008-06-02T15:24:32 yeah, just python-dev 2008-06-02T15:24:44 i still have it checking for python and python-setuptools 2008-06-02T15:24:58 dbs told me that python-dev wasnt required 2008-06-02T15:25:01 :) 2008-06-02T15:25:05 ohhh, ok 2008-06-02T15:25:11 i ran into errors with it not installed though 2008-06-02T15:25:20 ok, that's the confusing part ;) 2008-06-02T15:25:26 that is confusing 2008-06-02T15:25:49 oh - python-setuptools might depend on python-dev 2008-06-02T15:26:00 oh, i didn't tell you opensrf-python is mostly written in C, using the python c libs?? ;) 2008-06-02T15:28:24 hmm, python-setuptools doesn't depend on python-dev 2008-06-02T15:29:31 kbeswick_: mind trying something for me? put a comment with and empty line above mod_placeholder in httpd.conf, like so: 2008-06-02T15:29:34 #LoadModule mod_placeholder /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_placeholder.so 2008-06-02T15:29:38 # 2008-06-02T15:29:57 then see if that works 2008-06-02T15:31:36 dbs: no email yet. 2008-06-02T15:32:15 dbs: nevermind 2008-06-02T15:34:01 berick: nope 2008-06-02T15:34:45 wait 2008-06-02T15:34:46 yes 2008-06-02T15:35:35 i got the messages in the wrong order and did it backwards 2008-06-02T15:35:47 but yes it works if youy put the # on the line before like you said 2008-06-02T15:37:56 so messy. you know, i'm inclined to leave that out of autoconf/automake. 2008-06-02T15:38:13 people will still have to run Makefile.install to get prereqs, it can stay in there 2008-06-02T15:40:28 k , will do 2008-06-02T15:40:36 its easier that way 2008-06-02T15:58:15 *** kbeswick_ has quit IRC 2008-06-02T15:59:09 *** Slazer has quit IRC 2008-06-02T16:21:32 *** ppound has quit IRC 2008-06-02T16:22:44 *** GrantJ has left #openils-evergreen 2008-06-02T16:26:30 wow, I love it when a (bzr) plan comes together 2008-06-02T16:27:37 * berick hands dbs a cigar 2008-06-02T16:28:01 * phasefx_ cleans his machine gun 2008-06-02T16:28:14 * dbs pours dmcmorris a "special" glass of milk 2008-06-02T16:29:23 * eeevil pity's the fool 2008-06-02T16:32:15 seriously - so damned cool for slazer to be able to push his branch out so that I can grab it, do a bzr diff against my bzr-svn'ed copy of trunk, and then push my own branch back out to a different location so that he can merge my fixes back in to his branch 2008-06-02T16:32:21 * dbs has got religion 2008-06-02T16:51:36 *** lisppaste6 has quit IRC 2008-06-02T16:51:50 *** lisppaste6 has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-06-02T16:52:15 *** lisppaste6 has quit IRC 2008-06-02T16:52:37 *** Karen__ has left #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-06-02T17:02:56 *** lisppaste6 has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-06-02T17:31:03 *** dbs has quit IRC 2008-06-02T19:02:12 *** kgs_workout has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-06-02T19:15:08 *** kgs_workout is now known as kgs_puttering 2008-06-02T19:38:51 *** gmcharlt has quit IRC 2008-06-02T20:36:58 *** kgs_puttering is now known as kgs_dinner 2008-06-02T21:13:43 *** kgs_dinner is now known as kgs_afterdark 2008-06-02T21:16:18 *** miker_ is now known as miker_afterschoo 2008-06-02T21:16:25 *** miker_afterschoo is now known as miker_ 2008-06-02T21:26:19 *** dbs has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-06-02T21:44:02 *** GrantJ has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-06-02T21:44:46 Anyone awake? 2008-06-02T21:46:17 *** GrantJ has left #openils-evergreen 2008-06-02T21:50:26 *** kgs_afterdark has quit IRC 2008-06-02T21:58:38 yessir 2008-06-02T21:58:43 oh 2008-06-02T21:58:45 missed him 2008-06-02T22:00:15 yeah, I pinged him via skype when he popped on a few minutes ago but no dice 2008-06-02T22:00:35 I wonder why they don't have a different skin up yet... 2008-06-02T22:01:23 dbs: you got url handy? 2008-06-02T22:01:29 * berick wonders how he lost it 2008-06-02T22:01:59 islandpines should match in your browser history 2008-06-02T22:02:35 yeah, i'm on my laptop, which has ... less history 2008-06-02T22:02:48 islandpines.roblib.upei.ca 2008-06-02T22:03:09 (it was blogged by peter rukavina, so it's already in the open) 2008-06-02T22:03:15 crazy, i searched for islandpines and roblib in my irc logs.. nothin. thanks, dbs 2008-06-02T22:03:24 http://ruk.ca/article/4798 2008-06-02T22:05:56 do you know if they set up a barcode regex so that users won't be forced to change their passwords? bah, i'll go check 2008-06-02T22:08:14 is there a known issue with the user permission editor where you click on 'applied', click 'save', it reports the perm is updated, but there is no change? 2008-06-02T22:08:20 actor.org_unit_setting is blank 2008-06-02T22:08:34 berick: I confirmed that behaviour a month or so ago, i think 2008-06-02T22:08:49 should be in the logs... lemme see 2008-06-02T22:09:33 booo, search interface is dead 2008-06-02T22:09:39 * dbs reverts to grep 2008-06-02T22:10:33 berick: I have not looked at it 2008-06-02T22:12:16 k, i'll see if i can find anything 2008-06-02T22:18:01 April 4th I was talking about it 2008-06-02T22:18:47 http://open-ils.org/irc_logs/2008-04/%23openils-evergreen.04-Fri-2008.log 2008-06-02T22:19:03 just past midnight, of course. me and miker_, we have no lives 2008-06-02T22:24:59 i think that's a different conversation.. 2008-06-02T22:25:22 ohhh - duh. config cgi on the brain 2008-06-02T22:32:41 *** kbeswick has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-06-02T22:34:07 oh noes, kbeswick has the evergreen obsession fever 2008-06-02T22:34:22 he has been converteded 2008-06-02T22:37:26 first i permanently switch to linux, then i find myself lurking around the evergreen channel during non-work hours 2008-06-02T22:37:32 you guys!!! 2008-06-02T22:38:15 not to mention being forced to do strange and unusual things with version control systems and arcane build tools 2008-06-02T22:38:55 i helped someone in the gnu channel today who was having trouble with autotools 2008-06-02T22:39:27 spread the luv 2008-06-02T22:39:29 they didnt think i helped them with the right information though 2008-06-02T22:39:32 and pittsburgh just tied it up with < 1 minute left 2008-06-02T22:39:58 dbs: my parents were screaming, so i figured that something like that happened 2008-06-02T22:40:26 it's like they are actually in the crowd 2008-06-02T22:40:51 not out of the realm of possibility, detroit is reasonably close 2008-06-02T22:43:31 kbeswick: are you using http://sourceware.org/autobook/autobook/autobook_toc.html for documentation or what? at some point i wouldn't mind learning some autotools myself 2008-06-02T22:43:40 (more than my copy and paste kludgery) 2008-06-02T22:43:50 dbs: the autoconf/automake documentation on the gnu site, and that 2008-06-02T22:43:57 and random other tidbits of info i find 2008-06-02T22:45:08 thanks! 2008-06-02T22:45:18 and through it all i found myself learning about compilers/flags, libraries, etc. which is no doubt very useful 2008-06-02T22:45:49 if there was one thing that we didnt learn enough on in C++ class, it was how the compiler works/compiler flags 2008-06-02T22:45:52 oh yeah, wait until you give your handiwork a shot on freebsd 2008-06-02T22:45:58 or AIX! 2008-06-02T22:46:06 icc-- 2008-06-02T22:46:20 dbs: BLASPHEMER! 2008-06-02T22:46:39 (you hear me, IBM? icc-- !) 2008-06-02T22:46:43 ha 2008-06-02T22:47:26 that product was mostly developed in our lab, they launched a plan to port it to linux around 2004. 2008-06-02T22:47:52 I remember something about that ... about linux getting icc 2008-06-02T22:48:01 they asked me for tips on the linux community. I told them they were nuts. 2008-06-02T22:48:04 they had some working copies in the wild, I though 2008-06-02T22:48:13 thought 2008-06-02T22:48:18 (they being ibm, not the linux community) 2008-06-02T22:49:08 oh, sure, they got it going; and I think it was actually useful for a handful of companies with big complex projects they wanted to port from aix to linux 2008-06-02T22:49:32 linux also got the intel compiler 2008-06-02T22:50:11 it may be the intel compiler I'm thinking of, actually 2008-06-02T22:50:31 remembering the optimization wars of ought-2 2008-06-02T22:50:47 hmm, or was pcc the aix compiler? oh, wow... I might be regaining that part of my brain 2008-06-02T22:51:01 as in - forgetting those years and making space for new stuff 2008-06-02T22:51:23 heh 2008-06-02T22:51:46 xlC 2008-06-02T22:52:19 http://www-306.ibm.com/software/awdtools/xlcpp/features/linux/index.html 2008-06-02T22:52:42 (I still loathe the redirect to www-306) 2008-06-02T22:55:39 kbeswick: I'm going to set up a group on our stupid little server so that you, slazer, and I can push our respective branches to a single location (and share them with the world) 2008-06-02T22:57:51 dbs: you mean our 5up3r 1337 server right? 2008-06-02T22:58:57 uh, yeah :) 2008-06-02T22:59:06 i thought so.. 2008-06-02T22:59:15 watch out world! 2008-06-02T22:59:29 @leet distributed version control 2008-06-02T22:59:29 dbs: Error: "leet" is not a valid command. 2008-06-02T22:59:32 boo 2008-06-02T23:00:17 @help 2008-06-02T23:00:17 berick: (help [] []) -- This command gives a useful description of what does. is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. 2008-06-02T23:00:22 @list 2008-06-02T23:00:22 berick: Admin, Channel, ChannelLogger, Config, Dict, Games, Herald, Insult, Karma, Later, Math, Misc, Note, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Reply, Seen, Todo, and User 2008-06-02T23:00:37 @praise canucks 2008-06-02T23:00:37 berick: Error: There are no praises in my database for #. 2008-06-02T23:01:48 @karma dbs 2008-06-02T23:01:48 kbeswick: Karma for "dbs" has been increased 40 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 39. 2008-06-02T23:02:02 decreased once?!?! 2008-06-02T23:02:20 yeah, you would expect a lot more 2008-06-02T23:02:41 @karma 2008-06-02T23:02:41 kbeswick: Highest karma: "dbs" (39), "miker_" (14), and "djfiander" (12). Lowest karma: "miker" (-2), "rewriting_config_files_on_exit" (-1), and "bah... dbs" (-1). You (kbeswick) are ranked 8 out of 106. 2008-06-02T23:03:08 well, you take the cake 2008-06-02T23:03:18 oh, kbeswick - I'm going to give an Evergreen demo on thursday afternoon; you and slazer might want to attend 2008-06-02T23:03:25 definitely 2008-06-02T23:03:28 what time? 2008-06-02T23:03:31 2:00 2008-06-02T23:03:50 dbs: is this a "here's what I learned not to do at UPEI" demo/talk? 2008-06-02T23:04:08 "here's why we're talking about this a year in advance..." 2008-06-02T23:04:25 heh 2008-06-02T23:04:40 thing is ... it's workin' 2008-06-02T23:05:18 true - just need a little sprinkle of z39.50 and some serials mfhd 2008-06-02T23:06:09 simple2zoom pre-reqed yaz 3.x right? could they run it on a separate box? 2008-06-02T23:06:18 they sure could 2008-06-02T23:06:35 that would solve that problem 2008-06-02T23:06:47 and, of course, they'll need to attempt using the SRU-ish OpenILS::WWW::SuperCat 2008-06-02T23:08:04 right - hopefully they'll be able to help smooth that out 2008-06-02T23:08:53 oh - is 1.2.2.1 around the corner? I thought I saw some upgrade sql... 2008-06-02T23:10:00 dbs: it is! :) in fact, UPEI flushed out a couple bugs 2008-06-02T23:10:05 so I'm pretty happy with it 2008-06-02T23:10:10 waiting on one more test 2008-06-02T23:10:17 swwwweet 2008-06-02T23:10:33 test? hahahahaha 2008-06-02T23:10:42 heh .. I know, right? 2008-06-02T23:11:06 going to push out an RC first? 2008-06-02T23:11:17 BC has a couple things they want to make sure of, and they want to upgrade to that this week 2008-06-02T23:11:54 meh 2008-06-02T23:12:30 * dbs glances at the broken upgrade sql for 1.2.2.0, whistles nonchalantly :) 2008-06-02T23:12:44 you know I love you, man 2008-06-02T23:12:49 I know, I know... 2008-06-02T23:12:54 miker-- 2008-06-02T23:13:23 (see how I did that to not-my-nick? that's BRAINS!) ;) 2008-06-02T23:14:32 for that you deserve: 2008-06-02T23:14:32 miker_++ 2008-06-02T23:14:58 mmmm... your inc is deeeeelicious. (check's in the mail) 2008-06-02T23:15:15 excellent 2008-06-02T23:15:28 miker_++ 2008-06-02T23:15:29 still haven't cashed my first one.. 2008-06-02T23:15:31 haha 2008-06-02T23:15:50 well, if you don't need 'em... 2008-06-02T23:16:15 ESI, you fools, you should have brought him on as an intern! 2008-06-02T23:17:27 yes, ESI, you fools! ;) 2008-06-02T23:17:43 now i am a member of the team 2008-06-02T23:18:08 i feel pretty special when i tell people i work for a software company in the US 2008-06-02T23:18:13 haha ... S is trying to watch the cup match and is yelling about the puck being too hard to see 2008-06-02T23:18:35 kbeswick: we feel special when we tell people we're offshoring jobs ;) 2008-06-02T23:18:36 "Where's my HDTV?! I thought you were a vice-president." 2008-06-02T23:18:37 * miker_ ducks 2008-06-02T23:19:35 miker_: line 858, Actor.pm, should that || be changed to && ? IOW, next if you are not all-powerful and you don't have this perm to give 2008-06-02T23:19:43 open-ils.actor.user.permissions.update 2008-06-02T23:19:47 kbeswick: as part of the team you must now participate in trust fall exercises and the like. unfortunately, you'll have to trust dan 2008-06-02T23:20:01 berick: lemme look 2008-06-02T23:20:19 berick: which branch? 2008-06-02T23:20:22 i havent trusted dan since he shaved his head 2008-06-02T23:20:31 kbeswick: good man 2008-06-02T23:20:59 fwiw, it makes updating the perm as admin work 2008-06-02T23:21:20 berick: which branch are you looking at 2008-06-02T23:21:35 1_2_2 2008-06-02T23:23:18 berick: yeah ... if you don't mind testing with non-admin, I think you found it 2008-06-02T23:23:43 kbeswick: I have hair again, man 2008-06-02T23:24:09 at least 2 mm or so 2008-06-02T23:24:29 fuzzzzzy 2008-06-02T23:24:34 dude, until you have as much hair as me, you're no man 2008-06-02T23:24:41 hhaahahahhahahaha 2008-06-02T23:24:54 dbs: do I need to fire him? 2008-06-02T23:25:09 kbeswick: remind me to strip down next time I'm in the office 2008-06-02T23:25:17 oh snap! 2008-06-02T23:25:19 hah 2008-06-02T23:25:41 man .. this is turning ugly 2008-06-02T23:27:49 dbs intimidates me too much to do this IRL so i have to let it all out on here. 2008-06-02T23:29:04 can you believe that kbeswick worked for me for 8 months and still managed to stay insolent? 2008-06-02T23:29:52 miker_: yep, that plus an is_true wrapper on user->super_user did it. committing and porting... 2008-06-02T23:31:45 berick++ 2008-06-02T23:32:12 berick++ indeed 2008-06-02T23:53:11 *** kbeswick has quit IRC