2008-07-04T00:05:48 *** dbs has quit IRC 2008-07-04T00:19:03 *** kgs_chill has quit IRC 2008-07-04T08:11:52 *** Slazer has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-04T08:15:16 *** kbeswick has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-04T09:16:28 *** dbs has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-04T09:22:13 *** kgs_chill has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-04T09:22:21 *** kgs_chill is now known as kgs 2008-07-04T09:35:20 *** RobertC has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-04T09:36:53 anyone here this morning? 2008-07-04T09:37:42 RobertC I am, though still drinking my Peet's 2008-07-04T09:37:46 :-) 2008-07-04T09:38:28 RobertC: i am as well!!! 2008-07-04T09:38:28 I just finished my coffee allocation. 2008-07-04T09:39:40 I'm doing a small (really small) implementation of Evergreen for my home collection. Have looked into the data load scripts that are on open-ils.org but it seems rather overkill to build MARC for all of the books we have that are not avail via Z39.50 lookup from the LOC. 2008-07-04T09:40:20 SOooo was thinking about doing a web app to allow the entry of the basic data needed to load an item into Evergreen. 2008-07-04T09:42:18 Is there somewhere in the Wiki where the minimum data needed for Evergreen? I know that a bib record, volume and copy info is needed but not sure of the minimum fields needed for the system to work correctly. 2008-07-04T09:44:02 OR maybe such a data entry screen already exists and I've not yet found it. 2008-07-04T09:49:41 Am I really off base with this idea? 2008-07-04T09:52:31 RobertC this is an excellent question and I unfortunately am the wrong one to answer it (I'm Karen, the Community Librarian). I've been admiring your efforts. 2008-07-04T09:53:11 The developers are probably taking a well-deserved break and getting ready for today's celebrations (they've been on the road at a major conference). 2008-07-04T09:53:52 however, I'm interested as well because (this is crazy!) I am thinking of attempting to install Evergreen myself. 2008-07-04T09:54:12 and I too don't need MARC and would be interested in alternative formats, if I'm reading you correctly. 2008-07-04T09:54:52 Hi Karen, I posted a comment to your Blog entry last night. Yes, they deserve a break... Think you are new to Atlanta... if you are looking for good fireworks tonight, go to Stone Mountain .. but go early 2008-07-04T09:56:22 The installation of Deibian and EG went according to the instructions in the Wiki.. only was a few glitches with things like getting the Staff Client to recognize 1.2.2 but they was more my oversight than anything else 2008-07-04T10:32:03 I actually live in Tallahassee :-) 2008-07-04T10:34:04 Ok... then have a good 4th down there! 2008-07-04T10:36:01 Was just reading the RFQ from Kent County WA: It is important to understand that KCLS is NOT seeking development referencing the current KCLS Integrated Library System. We are not trying to duplicate what we have. At no time will this contract involve comparisons between Evergreen and the current ILS, and at no time will the contractor have access to software, documentation, nor any other item or information considered intellectual propert 2008-07-04T10:36:10 you too! post your question to the list -- it's an excellent q. 2008-07-04T10:36:32 yeah I read that as saying "time for a change" 2008-07-04T10:36:49 it's easy to get trapped into thinking in terms of how you've always done things 2008-07-04T10:37:02 Evergreen is about not doing things the way we've always done them 2008-07-04T10:37:13 That is great that they take an open book approach and don't "redo" their current process in a new software. I've been trying to get our company to do that but the automotive industry is slow to change and doesn't like moving into risky ventures. 2008-07-04T10:38:19 Will post to the list later today... had written it up last night and then decided to think more before posting. 2008-07-04T10:40:31 RobertC what a fascinating observation 2008-07-04T10:40:41 because the auto industry is really hurting now from failure to change! 2008-07-04T10:45:22 Yes we are and we are too stupid to realize it. 2008-07-04T10:47:02 SOME have branched out into other industries (Robert Bosch being the most dirversified) but some are stuck in doing only for automotive and related industries. WIth the price of commodities (steel, copper, fuel) and the weak dollar it is tough. 2008-07-04T10:47:16 At least when people aren't employed they can still use libraries! 2008-07-04T10:48:45 Of course, the library funding goes down too. But with EG and other OpenSource solutions like Asterisk for telecomm, Linux for the computers then library systems (or companies) at least can make a decision to reduce costs without giving up functionality IF they are willing to go away from the norm. 2008-07-04T10:49:14 *** dbs has quit IRC 2008-07-04T10:50:35 Back in the 70s and early 80s companies used IBM software and mainframes. It was said that no one ever got fired for using IBM. ... But then along came Windows, client-server and SAP R/3. The early adopters got an advantage... NOW those technologies are where IBM was back in the 80s.... It's time for the next generation but again the decision makers don't want to take risk. 2008-07-04T10:51:51 *** dbs has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-04T10:52:25 hi dbs 2008-07-04T10:52:38 bonjour! 2008-07-04T10:52:41 I am about to go exercise, clean house, and picnic 2008-07-04T10:52:43 happy independence day 2008-07-04T10:52:45 bonjour! 2008-07-04T10:52:48 gracias! 2008-07-04T10:53:05 RobertC and I have been comparing the automotive industry with the ILS industry :-) 2008-07-04T10:53:13 Sorry... I get rather hyper with this topic... It isn't the purpose of this IRC channel.... Shower time for me and then the wife wants to go check out a new grocery store. Hello dbs. 2008-07-04T10:53:46 Danke dbs 2008-07-04T10:53:58 :) 2008-07-04T10:55:03 actually it was a great comparison -- you have inspired another blog post! (for next week anyway) 2008-07-04T10:56:04 ok! but please keep my name out of it so that my current employer doesn't get ticked off (at least until I have an exit strategy) 2008-07-04T10:57:13 It isn't anything that I haven't already said to at least one Board member, the global and USA CIOs and 3 of the USA Division Presidents but so far no visible reaction other than status-quo. 2008-07-04T10:57:19 oh absolutely RobertC 2008-07-04T10:57:47 if you read the NY Times it's really all the business section talks about these days (that, and Starbucks' errors) 2008-07-04T10:58:21 dbs.. thanks for the advice you have given on the lists over the last couple of weeks. kgs: I'll post my question there later today. 2008-07-04T10:58:37 It's one of the advantages of the Evergreen community -- because we're not all librarians, we get insights/comparisons from outside industries 2008-07-04T10:59:52 Yeap... a lot of talk and very little action. BUT that just means that those who want change haven't found the right "elevator talk" yet so we have to not give up and keep going... As mentioned in the comment to your blog... THAT is what created the original reason for the celebration of this day and that is what we have to keep striving for. 2008-07-04T11:00:19 Shower time. Y'all have a great day. 2008-07-04T11:01:30 you too! off for my run. Happy 4th! 2008-07-04T11:01:38 *** kgs is now known as kgs_holiday 2008-07-04T11:02:53 *** RobertC has left #openils-evergreen 2008-07-04T11:28:48 *** rsinger has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-07-04T11:52:48 *** dbs has quit IRC 2008-07-04T11:53:35 *** rsinger has quit IRC 2008-07-04T12:25:37 *** rsinger has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-07-04T13:03:58 *** rsinger has quit IRC 2008-07-04T14:05:17 *** dbs has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-04T14:08:47 so Slazer, any luck resolving the patron search problem? (really a problem with patron display, I think) 2008-07-04T14:09:04 and kbeswick - made any further progress on opensrf autotools? 2008-07-04T14:09:17 * dbs has returned from a two-hour lunch, and is _very_ sleeeeeepy 2008-07-04T14:09:59 dbs: are you talking about the problem where when you went to Search > for Patrons and it gave an error right away? 2008-07-04T14:10:14 nope - that was an easy fix 2008-07-04T14:10:30 talking about when you actually retrieve a patron, and the display fails 2008-07-04T14:10:55 something about not being able to create the patron.display namespace 2008-07-04T14:11:19 I wasn't aware about that... as I don't know what to actually search for. 2008-07-04T14:11:53 dbs: i have been working on replacing the hardcoded directories in 50ish files in openILS 2008-07-04T14:12:03 dbs: i fixed the remaining ones in openSRf 2008-07-04T14:12:36 dbs: and do you think that i should work on making make dist work right away or wait until openILS is done? 2008-07-04T14:13:00 kbeswick: oh, get opensrf fixed first 2008-07-04T14:13:25 dbs: ok, will do. 2008-07-04T14:17:20 kbeswick: that's good news about opensrf for the hardcoded paths 2008-07-04T14:17:58 you've got to send patches to the list when you accomplish these things, man :) 2008-07-04T14:18:23 Slazer: register a new patron; then search for the patron 2008-07-04T14:21:56 Alright, once I rebuild the staff client I'll try it out. I've been fixing small problems I've found. The repository I have with all my changes for the patron directory...didn't have all my changes. I dunno why. But I think it's all good again. 2008-07-04T14:26:05 Alright, so I registered a new patron then I searched for it (using last name and first name only) and I didn't get any kind of error. 2008-07-04T14:28:17 *** dbs has quit IRC 2008-07-04T14:29:49 *** dbs has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-04T14:30:01 augh, stupid crashes 2008-07-04T14:30:10 so Slazer - the patron displays fine? weird 2008-07-04T14:30:53 Well I don't know what it is suppose to look like it but it looks fine to me right now. 2008-07-04T14:31:55 yeah, you would get a big ugly exception if you were seeing what I was seeing 2008-07-04T14:32:19 I wonder if this has something to do with your repository not having all of the changes you expected; maybe I pulled a broken version? 2008-07-04T14:32:31 Ahh, well I pushed everything just just now... so try again? 2008-07-04T14:33:09 okay 2008-07-04T14:37:53 *** phase_bb has quit IRC 2008-07-04T14:58:22 *** Slazer has quit IRC 2008-07-04T15:10:55 *** kbeswick has quit IRC 2008-07-04T15:44:44 *** miker_ has quit IRC 2008-07-04T15:45:24 *** miker_ has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-04T15:47:51 *** phase_bb has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-04T16:38:35 *** dbs has quit IRC 2008-07-04T16:51:38 *** rsinger has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-07-04T16:56:21 *** rsinger has quit IRC 2008-07-04T20:04:19 *** kgs_holiday has quit IRC