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2008-07-08T09:05:02  <dbs> hey Slazer, my copy of "Test-Driven Development By Example" (Ken Beck) just arrived
2008-07-08T09:05:57  * asmodai eyes dbs 
2008-07-08T09:06:02  <dbs> (as well as my copy of "Dungeons & Desktops: The History of Computer Role Playing Games" - but I'm not loaning _that_ time-sink to anyone on #openils-evergreen)
2008-07-08T09:06:24  <Slazer> Ooooo... If I could borrow that sometime to look through it for a bit... the first book that is.
2008-07-08T09:07:16  <asmodai> dbs: hahaha
2008-07-08T09:07:26  * asmodai counters with his collection of Forgotten Realms books
2008-07-08T09:07:44  * phasefx_ whiplashes
2008-07-08T09:07:57  <asmodai> eek!
2008-07-08T09:08:15  <phasefx_> I want a decent FR MMORPG
2008-07-08T09:08:52  <dbs> asmodai: I was looking at the Roundup system in action on bugs.python.org and of course stumbled across a bug filed by none other than asmodai himself (the third bug I looked at)
2008-07-08T09:09:15  <dbs> asmodai: you are everywhere in the python universe, aren't you?
2008-07-08T09:09:34  <dbs> Slazer: you would certainly be welcome to it
2008-07-08T09:10:00  <asmodai> dbs: I have Python commit rights actually.
2008-07-08T09:10:06  <asmodai> Granted, doc only, but still...
2008-07-08T09:10:24  * dbs counters with his php commit rights
2008-07-08T09:10:28  <asmodai> phasefx_: that would rock
2008-07-08T09:10:31  <dbs> FAIL
2008-07-08T09:10:35  <asmodai> Epic fail.
2008-07-08T09:10:37  <asmodai> Sorry.
2008-07-08T09:10:40  <dbs> :)
2008-07-08T09:10:41  <asmodai> Just not cool enough.
2008-07-08T09:10:50  <phasefx_> Epic Fail - Fortitude Saving Throw
2008-07-08T09:11:26  * asmodai pats his stack of Malazan books
2008-07-08T09:11:43  <berick> i got nothin
2008-07-08T09:11:51  * asmodai sends berick some spam
2008-07-08T09:11:54  <asmodai> There you go.
2008-07-08T09:12:22  <berick> much better
2008-07-08T09:13:36  <dbs> asmodai: in my defence, my php commit rights are only for -doc, PECL, and PEAR - no core. so I'm not completely tainted / responsible for php.
2008-07-08T09:14:06  * asmodai pats dbs 
2008-07-08T09:14:09  <asmodai> You're forgiven.
2008-07-08T09:17:23  <asmodai> So none of you into the Malazan books?
2008-07-08T09:17:55  <dbs> asmodai: never heard of them
2008-07-08T09:19:21  <asmodai> Steven Erikson
2008-07-08T09:19:25  <asmodai> fantastic series
2008-07-08T09:19:41  <asmodai> I think it replaced Lord of the Rings on my #1 spot for fantasy.
2008-07-08T09:19:46  <asmodai> Although it's a bit unfair to compare.
2008-07-08T09:19:55  <asmodai> The Malazan Book of the Fallen
2008-07-08T09:20:16  <kbeswick> asmodai: have you read any George RR Martin?
2008-07-08T09:20:25  <asmodai> kbeswick: Not yet I think.
2008-07-08T09:20:40  <asmodai> Recently completed Gail Z. Martin's Blood King
2008-07-08T09:21:26  <kbeswick> asmodai: his Song of Ice and Fire Series is pretty good, i dont read fantasy much either.
2008-07-08T09:21:44  <kbeswick> recommended to me by fantasy gurus though
2008-07-08T09:21:55  <asmodai> kbeswick: heard a lot about Ice and Fire
2008-07-08T09:22:14  <asmodai> People also were enthusiastic about Eddings though.
2008-07-08T09:22:24  <asmodai> Picked up his latest series, boy, was that a mistake.
2008-07-08T09:22:43  <asmodai> Never before read a series that was so shallow, templated, or utterly annoying to read.
2008-07-08T09:23:00  <kbeswick> hahaha
2008-07-08T09:23:54  <asmodai> I'm serious.
2008-07-08T09:24:09  <asmodai> The Dreamers, the series is called.
2008-07-08T09:25:31  <dbs> I thought Guy Gavriel Kay's Fionavar series was pretty bad. and the Shannara stuff; book 2 was basically a (better) rewrite of book 1, couldn't get past the first chapter of the wishsong.
2008-07-08T09:25:36  <kbeswick> asmodai: i was also recommended the Legend of Drizzt series'. im assuming you've read them if you're into Forgotten realms... any good?
2008-07-08T09:27:17  <asmodai> kbeswick: Got them!
2008-07-08T09:27:18  <asmodai> :D
2008-07-08T09:33:42  <dbs> Slazer: for now, you might want to start by reading http://www.agiledata.org/essays/tdd.html
2008-07-08T09:34:15  <Slazer> T'is bookmarked.
2008-07-08T09:36:13  * kgs kgs also finds that interesting and has bookmarked it!
2008-07-08T09:37:38  <asmodai> kgs: but you were not allowed!
2008-07-08T09:38:05  * kgs runs away laughing
2008-07-08T09:40:17  <asmodai> grrr
2008-07-08T09:43:19  <dbs> Slazer: of course the horse is already out of the gate with opensrf / evergreen, but the principles are still sound
2008-07-08T09:48:23  <dbs> Slazer: you know, I think the reason the i18n tests were failing on your system is because you're missing some dependencies
2008-07-08T09:48:40  <dbs> the translate toolkit module for python being the biggie
2008-07-08T09:49:10  <dbs> unfortunately, the real reason for the errors is masked because the tests invoke a shell that calls the Makefile, blah blah...
2008-07-08T09:49:27  <Slazer> Ahhh, then I suppose I should get the dependencies.
2008-07-08T09:49:50  <dbs> Slazer: well, only if you're interested in running the python i18n tests
2008-07-08T09:50:13  <dbs> you might be better off taking a look at the Perl t tests
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2008-07-08T10:00:41  <dbs> Slazer: some articles introducing standard perl testing at http://del.icio.us/denials/testing
2008-07-08T10:01:35  <asmodai> dbs: in related news
2008-07-08T10:01:40  <asmodai> dbs: CLDR 1.6 got released.
2008-07-08T10:03:09  <Slazer> Also bookmarked. *thumbs up*
2008-07-08T10:04:01  <dbs> asmodai: with your bugs addressed, I hope?
2008-07-08T10:04:30  <asmodai> dbs: at least the Norwegian date representation is fixed.
2008-07-08T10:04:34  <asmodai> As well as some other things.
2008-07-08T10:05:13  <berick> how are Norwegian dates represented?
2008-07-08T10:41:53  <rsinger> ØØØØ-ØØ-ØØTØØ:ØØ:ØØ
2008-07-08T10:42:40  <asmodai> berick: it was a specific case
2008-07-08T10:42:48  <asmodai> where an additional . was added
2008-07-08T10:46:35  <dbs> happily we can regenerate the dojo locales of interest using CLDR 1.6 whenever we feel so inclined
2008-07-08T10:50:25  <sboyette> rsinger++ # ISO 8601 ftw
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2008-07-08T11:04:52  <asmodai> dbs: There are some changes.
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2008-07-08T11:09:16  <rsinger> bradl: so i've finally come clean about that meeting at emory so many years ago
2008-07-08T11:23:18  <_bott_> miker_: are you missing a comma in the CREATE TABLE statement in the 1.2.2.2-upgrade.sql ?
2008-07-08T11:42:47  <eeevil> _bott_: shouldn't be now ... and 1.2.2.2 isn't cut yet ;)
2008-07-08T11:42:59  <eeevil> _bott_: there was a missing comma at one time, though, yes
2008-07-08T11:45:40  <dbs> still appears to be missing to me
2008-07-08T11:48:10  <eeevil> well, I'd better fix that before tonight :)
2008-07-08T11:51:05  <eeevil> done
2008-07-08T11:51:10  <eeevil> thanks _bott_
2008-07-08T11:51:23  <_bott_> yep
2008-07-08T11:52:08  <dbs> 1.2.2.2 is getting cut tonight?
2008-07-08T11:52:53  * dbs wakes up from his locale focus for a moment
2008-07-08T11:53:10  <eeevil> heh
2008-07-08T11:53:29  <dbs> s/focus/coma/
2008-07-08T11:53:32  <eeevil> dbs: well, that's the plan unless you have anything you want added
2008-07-08T11:54:03  * eeevil , the great communicatator
2008-07-08T11:58:00  <dbs> eeevil: we'll need to include the new perl module in the upgrade release notes; I'll add it to settings-tester.pl too
2008-07-08T11:58:16  <berick> w00t, running apache in valgrind works
2008-07-08T11:58:24  <eeevil> dbs++
2008-07-08T11:58:39  <eeevil> dbs: the DateTime stuff for RSS, you mean?
2008-07-08T11:58:46  <dbs> right-o
2008-07-08T11:58:55  <dbs> valgrind++
2008-07-08T11:59:20  <dbs> btw, I ran the opac through ratproxy a couple of days ago - innaresting, although it didn't flag too much that looked scary to me
2008-07-08T11:59:57  <eeevil> berick: I was thinking more about the translator problem last night ... could apache be replacing malloc and removing stuff between calls?
2008-07-08T12:00:35  <berick> eeevil: no, it's just a thinko on my part
2008-07-08T12:00:55  <eeevil> so it is found?
2008-07-08T12:01:05  <berick> well, one issue is found.  about to start on the next one ;)
2008-07-08T12:01:40  <berick> i typo'd sizeof(pointerToThingy) instead of sizeof(Thingy)
2008-07-08T12:01:49  <berick> that was the initial and most grevious problem
2008-07-08T12:01:55  <berick> thanks, valgrind
2008-07-08T12:03:19  * sboyette mails Vint Cerf and lobbies for IPv7 to include a GetIPByThingy call
2008-07-08T12:03:36  <sboyette> (or should it be GetThingyByIP?)
2008-07-08T12:03:37  <eeevil> heh ... "why is everything after the first 4 bytes of my Thingy pointing off into space?" ;)
2008-07-08T12:04:16  <berick> eeevil: heh.. it's surprising how far into the program you can get with that ;)
2008-07-08T12:04:39  <berick> sboyette: both!
2008-07-08T12:10:54  <berick> alright.. getting valid responses now
2008-07-08T12:13:04  <dbs> eeevil: how do you feel about introducing deprecation for database/password in 1.2.2.2 (versus database/pw)?
2008-07-08T12:14:01  <dbs> I've got a patch for clark-kent.pl & settings-tester.pl ready to roll, but could hold off on the deprecation warning until 1.2.3 if you would prefer
2008-07-08T12:17:03  <eeevil> dbs: since it's a config file change I'd be happier about 1.2.3
2008-07-08T12:17:12  <eeevil> oh
2008-07-08T12:17:18  <eeevil> well, it's just a warning?
2008-07-08T12:17:25  <dbs> yep
2008-07-08T12:17:28  <eeevil> or a required change (per the patch)
2008-07-08T12:17:40  <dbs> just like today's database/name vs. database/db (or whatever)
2008-07-08T12:17:42  <eeevil> yeah, earlier is better for a warning
2008-07-08T12:17:46  <dbs> thought so
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2008-07-08T12:41:50  <bradl> rsinger: err... what meeting?
2008-07-08T12:42:23  <rsinger> bradl: i guess that was around 2003
2008-07-08T12:42:49  <bradl> my master index is corrupt before... about 2006 :)
2008-07-08T12:43:22  <bradl> UNABLE TO RETRIEVE RECORD
2008-07-08T12:51:21  <bradl> rsinger: so, what did you say? You've got me all curious-like.
2008-07-08T12:58:19  <dbs> bradl: you've got to read the web, man
2008-07-08T13:06:38  <bradl> oh god that thing again? what's wrong with gopher?
2008-07-08T13:10:20  <dbs> bradl: http://dilettantes.code4lib.org/?p=119
2008-07-08T13:18:07  * dbs goes on a backporting flurry
2008-07-08T13:21:01  <kgs> rsinger I love that story...
2008-07-08T13:21:02  <dbs> what about backporting the org_tree_proximity stuff (optional -u flag for autogen.sh)?
2008-07-08T13:21:41  <rsinger> kgs: :)
2008-07-08T13:21:48  <berick> dbs: i say sure, why not
2008-07-08T13:21:56  <rsinger> kgs: i thought they were nice kids
2008-07-08T13:22:09  <kgs> well, they are. just nice and right
2008-07-08T13:22:11  <dbs> berick: cool - no sense in it sitting there in trunk with nobody but me using it
2008-07-08T13:25:17  <rsinger> kgs: their 'niceness' i'm sure in no way influenced by their 'paycheckiness'
2008-07-08T13:27:18  <kgs> I liked 'em long before I agreed to work for 'em
2008-07-08T13:28:14  * rsinger chuckles.
2008-07-08T13:28:23  <phasefx> kgs: still need to find you that stick of gum
2008-07-08T13:28:25  * rsinger can't stand 'em, never could.
2008-07-08T13:28:26  <rsinger> oh wait
2008-07-08T13:28:36  <rsinger> are they standing right behind me?
2008-07-08T13:28:41  <rsinger> they are, aren't they?
2008-07-08T13:28:53  <rsinger> "Heeeeeey, y'all... how have you been?"
2008-07-08T13:28:54  <kgs> feel hot breath on your neck rsinger?
2008-07-08T13:29:05  <kgs> here, have a stick of gum ;-)
2008-07-08T13:29:10  <kgs> ok back to work
2008-07-08T13:29:27  <dmcmorris_esi> kgs: you need to have /started/ work before you can get /back/ to work
2008-07-08T13:29:51  <kgs> ::g::
2008-07-08T13:30:17  <dmcmorris_esi> :-d
2008-07-08T13:32:52  <rsinger> miker_: what's the status on the ruby opensrf interface?
2008-07-08T13:33:15  <dbs> rsinger: not good
2008-07-08T13:33:29  <rsinger> o
2008-07-08T13:33:32  <bradl> rsinger: re: your blog post... got that from a lot of places, unsurprisingly
2008-07-08T13:33:41  <rsinger> bradl: ;)
2008-07-08T13:33:59  <bradl> rsinger: but, you know, I'm used to being underestimated. It's a strategeric advantage ;)
2008-07-08T13:34:02  <dbs> rsinger: due entirely to "your contract is in the mail - no, for real this time" shenanigans on behalf of project conifer
2008-07-08T13:34:12  <dbs> s/on behalf of/by/
2008-07-08T13:34:31  * dbs turns around and gives rsinger / miker_ a big target to boot, hard
2008-07-08T13:34:42  <rsinger> conifer is laurentian/mcmaster/windsor?
2008-07-08T13:34:47  <dbs> aye
2008-07-08T13:35:06  <rsinger> ah, ok
2008-07-08T13:35:37  <rsinger> somebody was wined and dined and talked into buying aleph for the entire province or something?
2008-07-08T13:37:11  <berick> haha
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2008-07-08T13:39:56  <dbs> Okay, I'm done backporting - travelled back in time all the way to February looking at all of my patches
2008-07-08T13:40:36  <dbs> rsinger: no, just bureaucratic hijinks
2008-07-08T13:40:55  <rsinger> dbs: oh, unsurprising
2008-07-08T13:41:03  <dbs> "Never assume malevolence where mere incompetence" blah blah
2008-07-08T13:41:40  <rsinger> dbs: so what's the eta for teh rubies?
2008-07-08T13:47:07  <dbs> if mjgiarlo gets on that horse, it wouldn't take him long (it's his exercise in learning OpenSRF, which really isn't important to Conifer in the short term but which we're happy to support for the good of the project)
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2008-07-08T13:48:13  <dbs> he was a good chunk of the way through a port of the python opensrf client back in May, after just a half day; another 10 hours and I'm sure it would be done
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2008-07-08T14:24:06  <EGUEST074> Hello?
2008-07-08T14:24:21  <kbeswick> EGUEST074: hi
2008-07-08T14:24:31  <EGUEST074> what kind of database backend does open-ils use?
2008-07-08T14:24:40  <atheos> postgresql
2008-07-08T14:24:58  <EGUEST074> I was looking at the install instructions and it looks quite involved
2008-07-08T14:25:24  <EGUEST074> are the daemons for sending notices to users or seomthing?
2008-07-08T14:25:28  <EGUEST074> why does it need daemons
2008-07-08T14:25:32  <atheos> there's a vmware image that can get you up and running quickly
2008-07-08T14:25:38  <EGUEST074> I'm downloading that now
2008-07-08T14:25:47  <dbs> EGUEST074: which instructions were you looking at - ubuntu or debian?
2008-07-08T14:25:51  <EGUEST074> debian
2008-07-08T14:25:58  <dbs> good - they're about 20 steps shorter :)
2008-07-08T14:26:24  <EGUEST074> :) I'm just trying to understand why it needs daemons and can't just run as a standard web app
2008-07-08T14:26:26  <dbs> daemons are used for things like calculating overdues, sending notices, yes
2008-07-08T14:26:43  <dbs> things that happen periodically
2008-07-08T14:26:48  <dbs> oh wait (due)
2008-07-08T14:26:50  <dbs> duh
2008-07-08T14:27:06  <EGUEST074> ok
2008-07-08T14:27:39  <dbs> there's a reporter daemon that basically sits and waits for a request for a report, which it then goes off and runs for you; also runs scheduled reports
2008-07-08T14:27:51  <dbs> notices and such are actually cron jobs (thus the duh)
2008-07-08T14:27:55  <EGUEST074> what does apache call when serving up a page... does the front end run with php, perl, etc?
2008-07-08T14:28:17  <dbs> perl + a couple of C apache extensions
2008-07-08T14:29:32  <EGUEST074> the c extensions call some special binaries that do something?
2008-07-08T14:31:44  <EGUEST074> why does it use memcached and ejabberd
2008-07-08T14:33:09  <dmcmorris_esi> ejabberd is the medium for inter-module communication
2008-07-08T14:33:25  <dbs> memcached for caching (search results, settings, sessions) so it can scale nicely
2008-07-08T14:33:44  <atheos> EGUEST074, a typical evergreen implementation would span across many servers
2008-07-08T14:33:48  <phasefx> ejabberd is just an option, you should be able to use any jabber server where you can disable offline messages
2008-07-08T14:33:57  <dbs> ejabberd basically acts as a message bus; something like JMS or CICS or MQSeries
2008-07-08T14:34:04  <EGUEST074> oh I see
2008-07-08T14:34:06  <phasefx> the protocol is called xmpp
2008-07-08T14:34:08  <EGUEST074> right
2008-07-08T14:34:19  <dmcmorris_esi> some diagrams and stuff are available at http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php#technical_documentation
2008-07-08T14:34:29  <EGUEST074> I have a small library I'm looking to set up with a web based catalog
2008-07-08T14:34:33  <EGUEST074> this looks like it could work
2008-07-08T14:35:12  <EGUEST074> the openils platform seems to link in quite heavily with other libraries
2008-07-08T14:35:17  <EGUEST074> is that a feature that can be turned off?
2008-07-08T14:35:48  <dbs> EGUEST074: you could run it with just a single library, sure
2008-07-08T14:36:50  <EGUEST074> would those columns inthe search showing how many copies available in other libraries go away?
2008-07-08T14:37:08  <phasefx> it'd be just one column, but you could skin it such that they are hidden completely
2008-07-08T14:37:50  <EGUEST074> ok if it's completely skinnable I should be fine
2008-07-08T14:38:36  <EGUEST074> well, I'll try out this vmware image and see how it goes
2008-07-08T14:38:45  <EGUEST074> thanks for the information
2008-07-08T14:39:20  <phasefx> no problem, good luck!
2008-07-08T14:39:22  <EGUEST074> since I'm a small library not really afiliated with other libraries, should I be looking at other software or do you think this would fit us best
2008-07-08T14:39:37  <dbs> EGUEST074: openbiblio or koha would be other options
2008-07-08T14:39:57  <phasefx> and maybe opals, if you're looking for ASP
2008-07-08T14:40:24  <dbs> opals == some variant of koha
2008-07-08T14:41:26  <phasefx> might even be possible to use LibraryThing and just "tag" circuations :)
2008-07-08T14:41:45  <dbs> ugh
2008-07-08T14:41:53  <phasefx> I know, I'm horrible, right? :D
2008-07-08T14:42:07  <phasefx> wouldn't give you fines, etc
2008-07-08T14:43:06  <kgs> how many volumes?
2008-07-08T14:43:18  <phasefx> for Mac lovers and really small libraries, http://www.delicious-monster.com/
2008-07-08T14:46:39  <atheos> oooh, eye candy
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2008-07-08T14:55:17  <EGUEST074> I don't know how many volumes probably 10k?
2008-07-08T14:57:58  <kgs> that's not so small, actually!
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2008-07-08T15:41:35  <dbs> Someone just asked if we have an RFC for serials - I guess http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=acq:serials:model is about the best we have
2008-07-08T15:41:47  * dbs fears he may have started something with the reserves RFC
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2008-07-08T15:54:49  * berick finally has time to peer at dbs' email
2008-07-08T15:56:04  * dbs wonders what email berick is peering at
2008-07-08T15:56:21  <berick> yours from 4 hours ago... 1.4 release:..
2008-07-08T15:56:35  <berick> open-ils-dev, that is
2008-07-08T15:57:58  <dbs> oh that
2008-07-08T15:58:08  <dbs> opened a placeholder ticket for it too
2008-07-08T16:06:26  <dbs> berick: does it make sense, or did I miss the blindingly obvious
2008-07-08T16:07:40  <berick> dbs: it all makes sense
2008-07-08T16:07:55  <dbs> "too much sense - I quit!"
2008-07-08T16:07:56  <berick> i have some vague recollection of us explicitly deciding to put the locales into the db
2008-07-08T16:07:59  <berick> hah
2008-07-08T16:08:12  <berick> oh, the sensitude!
2008-07-08T16:12:29  <dbs> berick++
2008-07-08T16:22:43  <berick> any objections to turning on email notifications in trac?
2008-07-08T16:23:03  <berick> s/turning on/configuring, then turning on/
2008-07-08T16:25:25  <dbs> berick: no objections here
2008-07-08T16:34:01  <berick> ok, emails turned on for opensrf and ils.  updater and owner are emailed automatically
2008-07-08T16:34:22  <berick> now, just need to find where email addrs are stored so i can update them...
2008-07-08T16:35:48  <dbs> umm - back in the old trac days, your login name == your email address
2008-07-08T16:35:56  <dbs> trac 0.9 or thereabouts
2008-07-08T16:36:37  <dbs> oh, but I'm dumb, there's an account email address in the preferences
2008-07-08T16:37:24  <dbs> and you're running 0.11, so my experience is worthless. Worthless!
2008-07-08T16:37:41  <berick> well, pre-0.11, but basically 0.11
2008-07-08T16:48:58  <berick> ahh, session_attribute
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2008-07-08T18:21:10  <phasefx> ooh, I might be able to do away with some of the printer xpcom with window.print and xulrunner preference
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2008-07-08T20:27:07  <djfiander> oops: "The requested URL /opac/extras/docgen.xsl was not found on this server."
2008-07-08T20:53:51  <berick> i always liked that wording.  as if you were wondering if it might be on another server
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2008-07-08T20:59:42  <mjg_> I'm in!  They don't know it yet, though.
2008-07-08T21:00:55  <miker_> baby trouble ... in in a few
2008-07-08T21:03:15  <mjg_> can't you outsource that?
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2008-07-08T21:04:19  <miker_> heh
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2008-07-08T21:41:36  <kbeswick> three more commits in open-ils until the big r10000!
2008-07-08T21:42:34  <miker_> oooo! I MUST GET IT
2008-07-08T21:43:24  <djfiander> because I have lost my svn.open-ils.org pwd, I won't be getting it (don't ask)
2008-07-08T21:50:11  <dbs> I'm sure I can find 3 typos
2008-07-08T21:51:02  <kbeswick> im putting my money on berick
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2008-07-08T21:59:38  * miker_ commits a typo fix to all 3 branches
2008-07-08T22:00:09  <berick> arg
2008-07-08T22:00:14  <miker_> arg indeed
2008-07-08T22:00:32  * berick watches the battery blink
2008-07-08T22:00:35  <berick> it's like drowning
2008-07-08T22:00:38  <miker_> haha
2008-07-08T22:00:56  <miker_> no second battery?
2008-07-08T22:01:10  <berick> no :(
2008-07-08T22:01:16  <miker_> double arg
2008-07-08T22:01:32  <dbs> just take a plug from the tv, cut off the end, and jam it into the ac port
2008-07-08T22:01:39  <berick> heh
2008-07-08T22:01:49  <dbs> oh, guess that's a dc port. whoops!
2008-07-08T22:01:58  <berick> if only i could charge it from the phone instead of the other way around
2008-07-08T22:02:28  <phasefx> could just cut 1.2.2.2 for changeset 10000
2008-07-08T22:02:37  <phasefx> do those get changesets?
2008-07-08T22:02:56  <berick> i think so
2008-07-08T22:03:01  <dbs> that would be a fine idea
2008-07-08T22:03:04  <berick> phasefx++
2008-07-08T22:03:18  <berick> unless of course something needs to get into 1.2.2.2 ;)
2008-07-08T22:03:23  <berick> "no fix for you!"
2008-07-08T22:03:33  <berick> wow, this is a slow death
2008-07-08T22:04:17  <miker_> how many do we have left? ... /me checks
2008-07-08T22:04:37  <miker_> still 3 ... good
2008-07-08T22:04:43  <miker_> I need one of those :)
2008-07-08T22:08:03  <miker_> oh ... no I don't
2008-07-08T22:13:19  <dbs> I can commit the 70 lines of lame code I started towards an MFHD parser
2008-07-08T22:13:35  <miker_> http://www.sitepen.com/blog/2008/07/08/dojo-toolbox-first-look/
2008-07-08T22:14:06  <miker_> or we could just branch at 9998 ;)
2008-07-08T22:16:10  <miker_> ok ... I have to make a phone call, then I'll branch at whatever rev it happens to be at
2008-07-08T22:16:41  <dbs> 10001 would be palindromic, would have been perfect for 1.2.2.1. damn.
2008-07-08T22:18:10  <phasefx> I'm sure we can find some pattern out of the digits and bits to parade about
2008-07-08T22:18:31  <dbs> kbeswick: did you commit your fixes for autotools in bzr?
2008-07-08T22:20:06  <miker_> reader still breaks IE
2008-07-08T22:21:43  <dbs> crap, I think I was bad mouthing you earlier and was just looking at your old bzr repo, although your new bzr repo has a bunch of .moved files
2008-07-08T22:21:58  <dbs> miker_: what are you babbling about?
2008-07-08T22:23:35  <kbeswick> dbs: yes, although i changed some stuff that broke make install, and am currently trying to fix it
2008-07-08T22:23:57  <dbs> kbeswick: ah, okay; i'll keep my hands off that then :)
2008-07-08T22:24:16  <kbeswick> dbs: although make dist works right now ;)
2008-07-08T22:26:13  <dbs> hah
2008-07-08T22:28:05  <dbs> miker_: maybe we should try to figure out why the hell http://islandpines.roblib.upei.ca/opac/en-US/skin/roblib/xml/rdetail.xml?r=280732&ol=4&l=4&d=2&hc=1&adv=280732&rt=tcn isn't displaying a URL and fix that?
2008-07-08T22:28:45  <dbs> it doesn't like having an array of URLs to pick from? or .pdf extensions?
2008-07-08T22:29:08  <miker_> I'll look
2008-07-08T22:29:12  * dbs goes digging
2008-07-08T22:29:17  <dbs> damn you're fast
2008-07-08T22:29:29  <dbs> you're not 30 yet, are you?
2008-07-08T22:29:56  <miker_> 6 months of youth left
2008-07-08T22:31:09  <dbs> SuperCat links it like crazy
2008-07-08T22:31:20  <dbs> in htmlholdings-full format, naturally
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2008-07-08T22:34:08  <dbs> so line 212 in rdetails.js holds one major clue for the FTP case
2008-07-08T22:34:12  <dbs> 		if( href.match(/http/) ) {
2008-07-08T22:35:42  <phasefx> :D
2008-07-08T22:36:24  <miker_> I don't see an ftp:// URL in that record, though
2008-07-08T22:36:35  <dbs> right, that's a different case
2008-07-08T22:39:49  <miker_> the problem is the mods transform ... it's not adding <location><url> elements
2008-07-08T22:40:46  <miker_> though, looking at the stylesheets, I don't see why not
2008-07-08T22:41:06  <miker_> <xsl:for-each select="marc:datafield[@tag=856][marc:subfield[@code='u']]">
2008-07-08T22:42:14  <miker_> that should match the tags we want
2008-07-08T22:43:47  <dbs> strange, in firebug alert(record.online_loc()) shows that the right stuff seems to be spit out
2008-07-08T22:44:04  <dbs> http://dsp-psd.pwgsc.gc.ca/Collection/FB2-13-2000E.pdf,1999,http://www.bankofcanada.ca/en/pdf/loans-eng.pdf,2000,http://dsp-psd.pwgsc.gc.ca/Collection/FB2-13-2002E.pdf,2001 blah blah
2008-07-08T22:44:14  <miker_> yeah, that's what we want
2008-07-08T22:44:34  <dbs> is it tripping over the purely numeric descriptions somehow?
2008-07-08T22:44:53  <miker_> which just means that I was looking at the mods 3.0 transform, but we use 3.1 :P
2008-07-08T22:45:16  <dbs> heh
2008-07-08T22:46:36  <miker_> yeah ... that must be it
2008-07-08T22:46:43  * miker_ goes digging in the opac code
2008-07-08T22:47:25  <miker_> it definitely wants to display the URLs ... otherwise the Online Resources box wouldn't show up at all
2008-07-08T22:49:49  <dbs> damnit - and when I manually trigger that code via firebug using dummy data, it does show up
2008-07-08T22:50:14  <miker_> ...the hail...
2008-07-08T22:50:41  <miker_> but no error in firebug?
2008-07-08T22:51:23  <miker_> a HA
2008-07-08T22:51:25  <miker_> that IS IT
2008-07-08T22:51:32  <miker_> the line you identified before
2008-07-08T22:51:44  <miker_> name.match is not a function
2008-07-08T22:51:44  <miker_> http://islandpines.roblib.upei.ca//opac//skin/default/js/rdetail.js
2008-07-08T22:51:44  <miker_> Line 215
2008-07-08T22:52:00  <miker_> name is a number there
2008-07-08T22:52:02  <miker_> ARG
2008-07-08T22:52:06  <phasefx> ha, I hated that
2008-07-08T22:55:42  <dbs> yay
2008-07-08T22:57:14  <dbs> so we identified two problemos: one, we're only looking for HTTP: links; and two, we've got to take the string value of links[i+1] instead
2008-07-08T22:57:30  <miker_> yeah, I'm working on the latter
2008-07-08T22:59:04  <phasefx> String( name ).match?
2008-07-08T22:59:45  <miker_> phasefx: I was going to use '' + name (basically)
2008-07-08T23:00:15  <phasefx> yeah, have to be careful with my suggestions, because I"m all Mozilla; no IE experience
2008-07-08T23:01:37  <dbs> for #1, i was just going to locally define an array of acceptable URL protocols to trigger links and iterate over those
2008-07-08T23:01:51  <miker_> dbs: sounds good
2008-07-08T23:01:56  <miker_> or /http|ftp/
2008-07-08T23:02:07  <dbs> ftp, http, https, irc, mailto... (although we're starting to get esoteric there)
2008-07-08T23:02:28  <miker_> heh
2008-07-08T23:02:29  <dbs> miker_: well, might as well get specific and include the : as well
2008-07-08T23:02:37  <phasefx> \S+:\/\/ ?
2008-07-08T23:02:49  <miker_> dbs: shift-refresh that page
2008-07-08T23:02:54  <dbs> otherwise we'll link "The Big Book of HTTP Reference Crud"
2008-07-08T23:03:04  <dbs> phasefx: heh, no :)
2008-07-08T23:03:10  * phasefx doesn't even know if javascript regexps do \S :)
2008-07-08T23:03:26  * dbs claps
2008-07-08T23:04:03  <miker_> dbs: ok, so /https?:|ftp:|mailto:/ should be enough eh?
2008-07-08T23:04:25  <dbs> miker_: yeah
2008-07-08T23:04:42  <phasefx> I insist on tn3270: :)
2008-07-08T23:04:56  <dbs> miker_: if we were crazy, we would surface it as a configurable option somewhere - but not for 1.2.2.2
2008-07-08T23:05:15  <dbs> "mailto:// triggered a vulnerability in my Outlook client"
2008-07-08T23:05:44  <dbs> "irc://chat.freenode.net/#code4lib linked me to a bunch of crazies"
2008-07-08T23:05:53  <miker_> heh
2008-07-08T23:06:22  <phasefx> "telnet://" -> Evergreen looks like software from the 80's
2008-07-08T23:06:32  <miker_> ok ... still works with that regexp
2008-07-08T23:06:36  <miker_> phasefx: ha!
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2008-07-08T23:09:59  <miker_> I'll commit the change to 1.2 and 1.2.2, then branch, and then commit to head
2008-07-08T23:10:45  <dbs> perfect
2008-07-08T23:10:54  <dbs> miker_++
2008-07-08T23:13:34  <miker_> svn says: Committed revision 10000.
2008-07-08T23:15:09  <dbs> yessir
2008-07-08T23:15:25  <dbs> time to download and update the VMWare image
2008-07-08T23:15:42  <dbs> well... maybe tomorrow night
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