2008-07-10T00:02:06 miker_: should we pull marcdumper from the ILS tree? I'm not sure it serves a purpose anymore 2008-07-10T00:02:27 dbs: yes 2008-07-10T00:03:01 I was keeping it there for posterity, but it's not needed now, and we can get it from back-branches if we really need to 2008-07-10T00:03:12 always happy to delete stuff :) 2008-07-10T00:03:46 yeppers 2008-07-10T00:05:15 gone. and now to fix up the makefiles etc 2008-07-10T00:09:14 I'll rm cleanse-usmarc.sh and extract-holdings.sh while I'm at it 2008-07-10T00:13:33 hrm... 2008-07-10T00:14:10 ahh.. 2008-07-10T00:14:11 yeah 2008-07-10T00:14:38 If I should not have deleted those, then I should not have deleted marcdumper 2008-07-10T00:15:39 no, I was saying "yeah, kill em" 2008-07-10T00:15:58 I didn't recognize them by name as wrappers to marcdumper 2008-07-10T00:16:13 no problemo 2008-07-10T00:28:55 *** kgs_away has quit IRC 2008-07-10T00:42:19 *** rsinger_ has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-07-10T00:46:04 *** rsinger has quit IRC 2008-07-10T00:59:24 *** dbs has quit IRC 2008-07-10T03:36:15 *** berick_ has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-10T03:36:15 *** berick has quit IRC 2008-07-10T03:36:26 *** bradl__ has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-10T03:36:45 *** bradl has quit IRC 2008-07-10T04:14:47 *** pinesol has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-10T04:16:19 *** phasefx2 has quit IRC 2008-07-10T07:42:40 *** gmcharlt has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-07-10T07:49:07 *** atheos has quit IRC 2008-07-10T08:05:34 *** gmcharlt has quit IRC 2008-07-10T08:05:34 *** phase_bb has quit IRC 2008-07-10T08:05:34 *** denials has quit IRC 2008-07-10T08:08:12 *** gmcharlt has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-10T08:08:12 *** phase_bb has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-10T08:08:12 *** denials has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-10T08:10:17 *** Slazer has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-10T08:18:20 *** kbeswick has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-10T08:32:41 *** atheos has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-07-10T08:45:58 *** kgs_away has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-10T08:46:06 *** kgs_away is now known as kgs 2008-07-10T08:56:25 *** atheos_ has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-07-10T08:56:40 *** atheos has quit IRC 2008-07-10T08:59:21 *** rsinger_ is now known as rsinger 2008-07-10T09:05:44 morning shae 2008-07-10T09:05:55 whoops, wrong channel! 2008-07-10T09:09:29 *** phasefx__ has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-10T09:10:52 *** gmcharlt has quit IRC 2008-07-10T09:21:33 *** eeevil has quit IRC 2008-07-10T09:21:52 *** eeevil has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-10T09:22:39 *** phasefx has quit IRC 2008-07-10T09:36:47 *** phasefx__ is now known as phasefx 2008-07-10T09:45:31 *** bradl has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-10T09:48:12 oh wow, there's an evergreen docs listserv now 2008-07-10T09:50:39 sadly inactive at the moment 2008-07-10T09:52:19 I trained a few documentation-writing-volunteers on Evergreen a while back, just need to help them start on something cohesive 2008-07-10T09:52:54 dang. i was all excited because i just (in june) turned down an offer to go be a writer for sre in mountain view 2008-07-10T09:55:03 if you want to write, don't let us stop you :D 2008-07-10T09:55:24 * kgs shyly volunteers to review and test documentation for clarity, sanity 2008-07-10T09:56:41 * phasefx chains kgs 2008-07-10T09:56:52 (oops. SRE is the internal group who are responsible for making sure all hardware, worldwide, is online and serving. apparently deculting is going to be a journey and not a destination; didn't even realize i'd said that) 2008-07-10T09:57:22 this channel is logged too, ruh roh :D 2008-07-10T09:57:40 documentation++ 2008-07-10T09:57:48 no, no, saying it in public is fine. their recruiters say who they are and what ehy do. 2008-07-10T09:57:56 saying it with no explanation is bad :) 2008-07-10T09:58:11 gotcha 2008-07-10T09:58:31 A Wikipedia page on OpenSRF might make sense as well 2008-07-10T09:58:42 dbs volunteered to wrangle the document writers, but I think he's been swamped with other tasks 2008-07-10T09:58:54 * kgs returns to reviewing website pages 2008-07-10T10:01:04 *** mlasater has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-07-10T10:17:52 * berick wonders if a debian package conflict resolution score of -174 is as bad as it sounds 2008-07-10T10:34:00 *** dbs has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-10T10:34:55 man alive, how did I miss backporting the legcay typo to rel_1_2_2? 2008-07-10T10:46:16 dbs: it was because you were eating sushi 2008-07-10T10:46:49 you're probably right. damn you, kbeswick 2008-07-10T11:37:45 * kgs should point out I was talking about end-user/librarian documentation 2008-07-10T11:41:04 * dbs reads scrollback - ah yes, documentation. *sigh* 2008-07-10T12:34:17 *** asmodai has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-07-10T12:58:06 *** _bott_ has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-07-10T13:38:35 *** EGUEST541 has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-10T13:54:48 *** toko123 has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-07-10T13:54:59 greetings 2008-07-10T13:55:56 does your ILS have a bulk marc importer, can I take Follett Marc21 and read therm directly to your ILS 2008-07-10T13:59:22 toko123: currently you would follow the steps at http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-admin:importing:bibrecords&s=importing%20holdings#exampleimporting_the_project_gutenberg_records 2008-07-10T14:00:43 very nice 2008-07-10T14:00:47 thanks 2008-07-10T14:01:07 I plan to do a build on Solaris 2008-07-10T14:02:05 *** mlasater has quit IRC 2008-07-10T14:02:39 toko123: interesting! some people have apparently got it to work on solaris, but linux is certainly what most people are using. 2008-07-10T14:04:29 what distro is most popular? 2008-07-10T14:04:41 has the greatest success 2008-07-10T14:05:55 debian etch 2008-07-10T14:06:37 hmm I see that you're using local holdings tag 856 2008-07-10T14:06:40 good 2008-07-10T14:07:11 Iirc folett uses the same tag 2008-07-10T14:07:45 toko123: well, for URLs to electronic resources at least 2008-07-10T14:08:47 I'll need to look at the records 2008-07-10T14:08:53 thanks 2008-07-10T14:09:31 miker_: whenever you want to chime in here, buddy 2008-07-10T14:16:47 rsinger: no ruby opensrf client for at least a month - at least, not from these here parts. sorry. 2008-07-10T14:17:01 dbs: no worries 2008-07-10T14:18:08 dbs: i'm knee deep in trying to figure out support MPOW's ILS 2008-07-10T14:18:10 anyway 2008-07-10T14:55:33 * eeevil points fire extinguisher at head 2008-07-10T14:55:50 it's not helping... 2008-07-10T14:56:16 rsinger: what can I help with? (first I've looked at IRC today 2008-07-10T14:56:43 eeevil: the forces of XML are trying to usurp jangle 2008-07-10T14:56:52 oh HAIL no 2008-07-10T14:57:05 phasefx: hand me my gun 2008-07-10T14:57:27 eeevil: catch up on jangle-discuss or ils-di (if you're on that) 2008-07-10T14:57:42 and then lock and load 2008-07-10T14:58:00 I saw godmar posted something ... and I suspect that's the start of it 2008-07-10T14:58:08 yassir 2008-07-10T14:59:52 *** Cirilo has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-10T15:00:06 *** Cirilo has quit IRC 2008-07-10T15:01:18 one BFG for eeevil, coming up 2008-07-10T15:15:46 just slap base64-encoded stuff whereever you please, it's all good 2008-07-10T15:16:54 * dmcmorris_esi slaps dbs with a large base64-encoded trout 2008-07-10T15:29:52 *** dmcmorris_esi is now known as drdata 2008-07-10T15:30:07 *** drdata is now known as dmcmorris_esi 2008-07-10T15:34:59 *** kbeswick has quit IRC 2008-07-10T15:44:02 *** Slazer has quit IRC 2008-07-10T16:02:34 so ... I discovered 2 minor installation issues with 1.2.2.2 (new install, not upgrade) 2008-07-10T16:02:45 shall I cut 1.2.2.2.1 tonight? 2008-07-10T16:06:15 1.2.2.3? 2008-07-10T16:09:23 I'd vote for .3 2008-07-10T16:10:11 * berick wonders what a thumper is 2008-07-10T16:10:38 1.2.2.3 2008-07-10T16:11:01 hell, cut 1.2.3 :) 2008-07-10T16:11:35 eeevil: sorry my vmware upgrade didn't catch the problems :( 2008-07-10T16:11:55 well, upgrade worked fine :) 2008-07-10T16:12:04 dbs: or, I assume you upgraded 2008-07-10T16:12:11 eeevil: yes, exactly 2008-07-10T16:12:22 we need more testers! 2008-07-10T16:12:28 indeed 2008-07-10T16:12:30 and (gasp) maybe an RC :) 2008-07-10T16:12:36 ok ... 1.2.2.3 2008-07-10T16:13:00 berick: a "thumper" is one of those demagnetizing machines that are used for security strips 2008-07-10T16:13:02 dbs: without testers, RC lasts 4 months :( 2008-07-10T16:13:20 release 2008-07-10T16:15:18 dbs: gotcha 2008-07-10T16:17:47 *** kgs is now known as kgs_errand 2008-07-10T16:19:15 On the bright side of things, I'm deep into the bowels of Unicorn extracting all of our fund and order information 2008-07-10T16:19:28 On the negative side of things, it all makes me feel rather nauseous. 2008-07-10T16:20:46 dbs: Babel 0.9.3 2008-07-10T16:21:12 asmodai: i saw clenz announce that - excellent 2008-07-10T16:21:58 :) 2008-07-10T16:33:31 <_bott_> berick: want my $.02 on "thumpers"? 2008-07-10T16:35:38 _bott_: yes! 2008-07-10T16:39:12 <_bott_> Ok, here we go... 2008-07-10T16:39:23 <_bott_> Not to name names, like 3M 2008-07-10T16:40:38 <_bott_> But they wrap up sensitizers/desensitizers (aka thumpers because of the sound they make when they're activated) in pretty (or not) clothing and sell them for huge amounts. 2008-07-10T16:40:58 indeed - around $3000 list price per unit 2008-07-10T16:41:17 <_bott_> dbs: exactly 2008-07-10T16:41:17 no wonder folks want a "poor"-man's self-check 2008-07-10T16:41:41 <_bott_> We purchased one of their older 6210 units back in '03 for about $25000 2008-07-10T16:41:51 * dbs knows because he just ordered a couple last christmas 2008-07-10T16:41:56 25K??? 2008-07-10T16:41:57 <_bott_> full self-checks that is, not de/sensitizers 2008-07-10T16:42:00 ahh 2008-07-10T16:42:25 <_bott_> Since then, I've purchased 8 others, the most expensive for $5k 2008-07-10T16:43:11 <_bott_> My last batch was an eBay steal of 4 units for $.01 ...plus $300+ shipping 2008-07-10T16:43:34 _bott_: nice 2008-07-10T16:44:00 <_bott_> I've since fixed 1 self-check and 2 "thumpers" with those parts, which would have cost about $3-4K from 3M 2008-07-10T16:44:33 <_bott_> ...anyway, back to my thoughts on them. 2008-07-10T16:44:48 * phasefx keeps thinking of the Sand-worm thumpers in Dune, btw 2008-07-10T16:46:21 <_bott_> A simple serial connected magnetizing device would replace most of it, for heck of a lot cheaper, as is being discussed thread on the DEV list 2008-07-10T16:46:51 <_bott_> Anyone know a good electrical engineer with some time to kill? 2008-07-10T16:47:37 <_bott_> I'll say though, I still sweat bullets when dealing with the 6-pack sized group of capacitors in one of those things! 2008-07-10T16:52:40 _bott_: i'm still unclear on what communication occurs between the self-check station and the thumper hardware... 2008-07-10T16:58:52 <_bott_> It's essentially a charge the circuit or not 2008-07-10T16:59:20 ok, i guess that's pretty much what i was expecting 2008-07-10T16:59:56 <_bott_> the type of item is where the decision is made ...to prevent erasing tapes 2008-07-10T17:00:26 ahh yeah... this sip "desensitize" flag or whatever it is 2008-07-10T17:00:33 dmcmorris_esi: right 2008-07-10T17:00:51 the yes/no is easy to obtain 2008-07-10T17:01:21 so what's the elect engineer thing needed for? 2008-07-10T17:02:38 building a usb thumper (or finding one on ebay ;) 2008-07-10T17:05:35 <_bott_> I met with an RFID manufacturer a week ago. ...Talk about possibilities! 2008-07-10T17:07:55 <_bott_> Picture this, reading the tags on a box of 120 CDs moving at 300 fps, instant inventory 2008-07-10T17:08:57 _bott_: oh yeah! I stopped by TechLogic's booth at ALA ;) 2008-07-10T17:09:03 RFID rocks! ;) 2008-07-10T17:09:18 (from an item POV... not for patron info) 2008-07-10T17:09:41 yeah. RFID would be nice. pretty hard to justify the initial investment, though, when we're crying for more funds for collection development 2008-07-10T17:10:21 dbs: yeah... Bob and I were talking earlier... $0.03 vs. $0.20US... hard to justify the difference (we were talking rebarcoding) 2008-07-10T17:10:30 /me looks in the scrollback to see why the thumper would need to be USB 2008-07-10T17:10:57 <_bott_> dmcmorris_esi: local company, $.10, in bulk, book or A/V tag 2008-07-10T17:11:24 _bott_: wow, nice! I'll mention it to Bob 2008-07-10T17:13:19 *** mjg_ has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-10T17:13:48 <_bott_> Favorite RFID toy, hand-held reader with Geiger-counter function. Come within 25 ft of item and track down to within inches 2008-07-10T17:15:30 Geiger counter? what the heck??? ;) 2008-07-10T17:16:17 <_bott_> dmcmorris_esi: USB would allow completely modular self-check. Provide commodity PC, scanner, printer, and de/sensitizer. 2008-07-10T17:16:33 ahh, I see 2008-07-10T17:16:47 heh... RS232!=cmmodity any more ;) 2008-07-10T17:25:07 *** phasefx__ has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-10T17:36:34 *** phasefx has quit IRC 2008-07-10T17:37:00 *** eeevil has quit IRC 2008-07-10T17:37:20 *** eeevil has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-10T18:03:57 * _bott_ has head swimming from Chinese made EM/EAS products found in Google 2008-07-10T18:25:56 I was focusing on a USB relay controller myself... but I don't know 2008-07-10T18:34:42 *** phasefx__ is now known as phasefx 2008-07-10T19:34:42 *** toko123 has left #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-07-10T19:43:23 mjg_: install the acq-experiment branch of Evergreen, rather than trunk 2008-07-10T19:43:50 *** kgs_errand is now known as kgs_errands 2008-07-10T19:45:07 berick et al: as I'm generating reports from my legacy ILS, it strikes me that one incredibly useful thing would be to associate a "contact" with a given fund 2008-07-10T19:46:04 for the purposes of, say, faculty who want to ask the person responsible for a fund to buy something 2008-07-10T19:46:13 just not sure if we've defined roles along those lines 2008-07-10T19:46:36 yeah.. we should add an owner column 2008-07-10T19:46:53 or similar 2008-07-10T19:51:55 yeah: could be multiple owners for a given fund, or no owner (default back to those who have edit authority, maybe) 2008-07-10T19:55:29 dbs: that's very typical activity in research libs 2008-07-10T19:55:37 IMHO, "Owner" would be confused with an OU (over a person) 2008-07-10T19:56:32 they're usually called liaisons (in my experience) but that's not a useful label 2008-07-10T19:56:36 * dmcmorris_esi would call it "Responsible_beaurocrat" 2008-07-10T19:57:23 it's usually a librarian who does outreach and works specifically w/faculty 2008-07-10T19:57:30 the default being "Hermes Conrad" 2008-07-10T19:58:56 dmcmorris_esi: is that your alter ego? 2008-07-10T19:59:23 berick: not me... 2008-07-10T19:59:24 ohh.. him 2008-07-10T19:59:33 * dmcmorris_esi looks in the general area of our mutual supervisor ;) 2008-07-10T19:59:36 didn't know his last name was Conrad ;) 2008-07-10T19:59:46 pretty sure it is 2008-07-10T19:59:53 wikipedia says so ;) 2008-07-10T20:00:25 hey, when you use your netflix subscription to watch every futurama episode within a matter of a couple weeks, you learn these things ;) 2008-07-10T20:00:47 *** gmcharlt has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-07-10T20:16:52 *** gmcharlt has quit IRC 2008-07-10T20:58:17 *** _bott_ has left #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-07-10T21:01:36 dbs: yup, will do. gotta run (again), but I hope I have some good progress to report by Monday. 2008-07-10T21:01:47 *** mjg_ has quit IRC 2008-07-10T21:03:52 *** djfiander has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-07-10T21:07:10 * dbs returns from putting amber to sleep 2008-07-10T21:09:12 dbs: is that a human, a server, or (this would not be good) a dog? 2008-07-10T21:09:31 kgs_errands: hah! a human who thinks she's a cat 2008-07-10T21:09:58 children and dogs are also "put down" ;-) 2008-07-10T21:10:01 dbs: she throws up on the carpet and steals food from your plate? 2008-07-10T21:10:53 we had a kid in church who became very upset when he was told he would be "put to sleep" for a minor operation 2008-07-10T21:16:52 dbs: my A thinks she's a cat too right now 2008-07-10T21:18:55 kgs_errands: I take it the errands have been completed 2008-07-10T21:22:20 djfiander: actually I am erranding even as I write :-) 2008-07-10T21:22:53 finally unpacking, so I can pack again! 2008-07-10T21:27:35 miker_ do you have pix up of A? 2008-07-10T21:28:12 kgs_errands: do I ever! http://rylanders.homeip.net/gallery/ 2008-07-10T21:28:29 kgs_errands: also Z (Zoe) (the baby in the first pic) 2008-07-10T21:28:45 aka "Alpha" and "Omega" ;-) 2008-07-10T21:28:55 djfiander: zacly 2008-07-10T21:29:41 so cute!! a good friend of mine is named Zoe -- a lovely name. 2008-07-10T21:29:55 we think so too :) 2008-07-10T21:30:10 k 2008-07-10T21:30:15 oops 2008-07-10T21:35:11 bah 2008-07-10T21:35:17 firebug is crapping out on me 2008-07-10T21:49:43 heh... context is everything. I thought you were unpacking/packing house. just luggage :) 2008-07-10T21:54:41 :-) 2008-07-10T21:55:01 yes just my suitcase (not to be confused with "trunk" which I now understand to be something else) 2008-07-10T21:55:23 *** kgs_errands has quit IRC 2008-07-10T21:55:52 was it something I said?!? :( 2008-07-10T21:57:13 miker_: I can't check stuff in, 'cause I've rebuilt my svn setup after all the mucking about in Windsor, and I forgot my svn password again *sigh* 2008-07-10T21:57:19 <- idiot 2008-07-10T21:59:14 djfiander: I can probably reset that for you 2008-07-10T21:59:19 cool 2008-07-10T21:59:40 having forgotten my password umpteen times myself 2008-07-10T22:03:32 heh ... now I can just let dbs do it 2008-07-10T22:03:58 djfiander has his password now 2008-07-10T22:04:26 rockzor 2008-07-10T22:19:01 *** scottmcd_ is now known as scottmcd 2008-07-10T22:27:24 so - trying to work with dojo grid and datastores for the first time - the dojo book is one twisty little maze of errors, it seems 2008-07-10T22:28:50 reading lots of javascript source, though, so that's always good. 2008-07-10T22:29:10 yeah, the book is ok, for really simple stuff. 2008-07-10T22:29:38 doesn't help that dojo's kinda brittle 2008-07-10T22:43:58 *** djfiander has quit IRC