2008-07-14T00:18:26 *** kgs has quit IRC 2008-07-14T00:21:18 okay, have a tested and working rewrite of build-db.sh which handles bad db versions, auto detecting the latest db version if a bad db version is specified, warning the user, warning about missing files, not putting the password into the process listing, etc, etc. 2008-07-14T00:21:51 tomorrow I'll cook it up w/ an update to the settings script which checks the xulrunner version, and submit it along w/ a copy of the DCO 2008-07-14T00:23:16 night all 2008-07-14T00:23:24 *** asjoyner has quit IRC 2008-07-14T01:26:32 *** Mark__T has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-14T06:00:23 *** Mark__T has left #openils-evergreen 2008-07-14T06:01:43 *** Mark__T has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-14T06:02:35 *** Mark__T has quit IRC 2008-07-14T06:03:33 *** Mark__T has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-14T08:37:46 *** Slazer has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-14T09:01:00 *** dbs has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-14T09:11:16 happy Bastille Day 2008-07-14T09:18:13 I'm a sucker for an evergreen install problem report 2008-07-14T09:18:20 berick: are we in jail? 2008-07-14T09:20:12 * berick eyes the monarchy 2008-07-14T09:27:41 * miker_ imagines meatspace chroot ... "hey, the world used to be larger than the upstairs section of my house..." 2008-07-14T09:27:58 * miker_ drives 2008-07-14T09:28:34 hah 2008-07-14T09:29:06 so do you think pointing stuart to "select * from config.metabib_field;" is a good start for "where is the index configuration"? 2008-07-14T09:31:38 and i'll point at miker_'s old post for how to do it yerself 2008-07-14T09:38:27 *** kbeswick has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-14T09:41:16 *** Mark__T has quit IRC 2008-07-14T09:42:09 * dbs reads the old discussion from April about indexed fields and makes a mental note to ask miker_ how that configuration interface is coming for 1.4 :) 2008-07-14T09:42:22 not that I can cast any stones. I live in a house of shattered glass. 2008-07-14T10:10:28 *** rsinger_ has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-07-14T10:17:43 *** rsinger__ has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-07-14T10:18:32 *** rsinger has quit IRC 2008-07-14T10:20:23 *** rsinger__ has quit IRC 2008-07-14T10:20:41 *** rsinger has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-07-14T10:22:10 *** rsinger has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-07-14T10:29:14 btw, the oss4pl acq requirements document kicks ass - workflow models and everything 2008-07-14T10:29:39 would probably be very useful to gfawcett and even poor, maligned mjgiarlo 2008-07-14T10:34:25 *** rsinger_ has quit IRC 2008-07-14T11:07:28 *** pmurray_away is now known as pmurray 2008-07-14T11:16:19 *** mlasater has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-07-14T11:28:28 *** mlasater has quit IRC 2008-07-14T11:28:54 *** mlasater has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-07-14T11:46:37 *** rsinger has quit IRC 2008-07-14T11:47:13 *** rsinger has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-07-14T11:48:37 *** rsinger has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-07-14T11:51:09 *** rsinger_ has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-07-14T11:51:09 *** rsinger has quit IRC 2008-07-14T12:00:51 *** EGUEST227 has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-14T12:09:49 *** rsinger_ has quit IRC 2008-07-14T12:18:40 hello 2008-07-14T12:19:05 hello 2008-07-14T12:19:31 I've been playing with open-ils and I was curious how the circulation end of things is supposed to work 2008-07-14T12:19:37 do you have to use the staff client? 2008-07-14T12:19:51 you do 2008-07-14T12:20:10 why is that.. the staff client looks like a web browser 2008-07-14T12:20:12 the staff client is a xul application, built on the same technology as firefox 2008-07-14T12:20:50 several reasons, but the biggest is that it provides off-line capabilities if your network connection goes down 2008-07-14T12:21:03 there was no google gears, etc, when we started :) 2008-07-14T12:23:52 :) 2008-07-14T12:24:02 so is there like an admin home page/dashboard? 2008-07-14T12:24:08 when I opened it it was ablank page 2008-07-14T12:26:18 different libraries put different things there, so depending on what you want out of a dash board, you could probably make one 2008-07-14T12:26:18 EGUEST227: when you first open the staff client, the portal page is a basic HTML page customizable to whatever you want 2008-07-14T12:26:51 interesting 2008-07-14T12:27:32 I assume that this open-ils project is a completely fully functional suite which any library should be able to use? 2008-07-14T12:27:59 pretty much 2008-07-14T12:28:01 all depends. Some things are in development, like acquistions and serials 2008-07-14T12:32:47 * dbs notes that we should probably install a placeholder index.html page in the staff client portal that says "Evergreen Staff Client Portal: Customize Me" 2008-07-14T12:33:10 dbs++ 2008-07-14T12:35:43 put some examples in there for how to link icons to client functionality, etc. 2008-07-14T12:36:26 that would be super 2008-07-14T12:36:48 And say "Look up, look waaaaay up, at the menu... you're functional" 2008-07-14T12:40:17 *** kbeswick has quit IRC 2008-07-14T12:40:39 *** kbeswick has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-14T12:42:17 *** kbeswick has quit IRC 2008-07-14T13:00:13 *** rsinger has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-07-14T13:04:39 *** phase_bb has quit IRC 2008-07-14T13:53:51 *** EGUEST227 has quit IRC 2008-07-14T14:28:34 *** jeff has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-14T14:47:03 Slazer: going to try to merge your latest changes in a few minutes - any gotchas I should know about? 2008-07-14T14:47:18 Hmmm... 2008-07-14T14:48:33 Well I've been going over the files in the patron directory and fixing any strings I've missed (not to many but a few)... other than that that I think it's fine. I made the staff client this morning and ran it and things seemed to be fine. 2008-07-14T14:51:56 excellent 2008-07-14T14:52:20 would you mind bzr upping and committing? there were a few changes to trunk that your current branch would revert 2008-07-14T14:55:15 Oh, ok. 2008-07-14T14:56:37 Done 2008-07-14T14:58:53 thanks! 2008-07-14T14:58:58 btw, going to edit a few thigns 2008-07-14T14:59:02 Alright. 2008-07-14T15:14:13 *** Slazer has quit IRC 2008-07-14T16:03:49 *** lisppaste6 has quit IRC 2008-07-14T16:04:11 *** lisppaste6 has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-14T16:05:02 dbs: I'm planning to cut 1.2.2.3 tonight ... and I've started using trac! :) 2008-07-14T16:05:19 laws-a-mercy! 2008-07-14T16:05:30 dbs: and, I've added you as the default asignee on I18N/L10N tickets 2008-07-14T16:05:41 so ... take that! 2008-07-14T16:05:42 :) 2008-07-14T16:05:45 OH NOEEES 2008-07-14T16:06:03 I'll take it like a champ 2008-07-14T16:06:18 trac++ 2008-07-14T16:06:44 anything++ 2008-07-14T16:06:45 well 2008-07-14T16:06:56 anything_but_bugzilla_or_vtiger++ 2008-07-14T16:07:11 (my preference would be DCL, but it /is/ php...) 2008-07-14T16:07:26 DCL I don't know 2008-07-14T16:45:41 gah. invalid dtd due to duplicates BAD 2008-07-14T16:58:06 ahhh... fresh mind on the translator widget is improving things ... 2008-07-14T17:00:06 and with that, I'm out ... driving home, then more conify tonight 2008-07-14T17:09:43 *** pmurray is now known as pmurray_away 2008-07-14T17:12:56 *** mjg_ has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-14T17:34:27 Ahhh... clean. 2008-07-14T17:34:29 and now home 2008-07-14T17:34:40 *** dbs has quit IRC 2008-07-14T19:13:07 *** djfiander has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-07-14T19:44:01 *** dbs has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-14T20:12:16 http://www.sitepen.com/blog/2008/07/14/dojo-12-grid/ 2008-07-14T20:13:55 miker_: a few minutes away from a default server page 2008-07-14T20:14:20 dbs: rad! what's it got all over it? 2008-07-14T20:14:49 hah - next to nothing - just something more than a file directory index page 2008-07-14T20:15:33 far from sexy 2008-07-14T20:15:52 i take it you were thinking of something else? 2008-07-14T20:16:36 oh new grid, new grid - that's good news 2008-07-14T20:18:05 not thinking of anything else, no. something's better than nothing. we often toss a blank page with the evergreen logo up 2008-07-14T20:18:11 demo's like that, IIRC 2008-07-14T20:18:57 ooh, I like the use of standard thead/colgroup elements 2008-07-14T20:19:24 ah, I can throw the evergreen logo in at the bottom. good thought. 2008-07-14T20:19:25 yeah! I'm trying to decided if it's worth the effort for 1.4 ... I think it may be 2008-07-14T20:20:36 a new grid... great. just as I feard 2008-07-14T20:20:50 "we were forced to break backwards compatibility between the new grid and the old grid." 2008-07-14T20:20:53 I quit. 2008-07-14T20:21:04 djfiander: the old one works, the new is called DataGrid 2008-07-14T20:21:17 djfiander: and the new one looks much easier to use, fwiw 2008-07-14T20:22:09 it could hardly be harder to use, if they wanted anybody to adopt it :P 2008-07-14T20:22:27 having just gone through getting an old one to work from scratch, the new one looks very seductive 2008-07-14T20:22:48 still don't seem to be able to copy and paste blocks of rows/columns with firefox, though 2008-07-14T20:22:48 especially the markup-based layouts 2008-07-14T20:23:32 dbs: in old grid, I just notice a couple of days ago that right-clicking doesn't work on the face of the grid 2008-07-14T20:24:43 djfiander: I believe you can supply a context menu ... somehow ;) 2008-07-14T20:25:25 I was hoping for the _default_ context menu if I don't do anything. 2008-07-14T20:27:09 "The Dojo 1.2 Grid offers significant performance ..." - that sounds promising 2008-07-14T20:27:36 1.2 final by the end of the month 2008-07-14T20:31:30 so, bug-free by october :) 2008-07-14T20:36:12 dbs: you got your year filter on the fund page now 2008-07-14T20:37:11 berick: I saw that work in progress. Nice! 2008-07-14T20:37:23 most people wouldn't notice for a year or two :) 2008-07-14T20:37:37 heh, probably 2008-07-14T20:37:56 i guess you could import old fund info 2008-07-14T20:38:08 berick: SHUT YOUR MOUTH! 2008-07-14T20:38:12 * berick considers how interesting migrations are going.. 2008-07-14T20:38:14 heh 2008-07-14T20:38:25 To: world 2008-07-14T20:38:32 Subject: ignore berick 2008-07-14T20:38:44 he knows not of what he speaks 2008-07-14T20:38:47 you'll be happy to know that mcmaster and windsor look forward to clearing out their history 2008-07-14T20:38:47 EOT 2008-07-14T20:38:58 once acquisitions are done, nobody will migrate except at fiscal year end ;-) 2008-07-14T20:39:06 * berick hard-codes 2008 as the eariest possible fund year 2008-07-14T20:39:18 berick: good man! 2008-07-14T20:39:37 miker_: back that up with a trigger in the database ;-) 2008-07-14T20:39:44 hmm - guess a companion piece to the default page would be either enabling XMLENT processing of .html files, or turning on index.html as a default page 2008-07-14T20:39:49 think I'll go with the latter 2008-07-14T20:40:24 djfiander: ALTER TABLE acq.fund ALTER COLUMN year ADD CONSTRAINT oh_no_you_dont CHECK (year >= 2008); 2008-07-14T20:40:40 even better. that's more efficient 2008-07-14T20:41:40 miker_: no no; just add a trigger that silently changes anything < 2008 to 2008 2008-07-14T20:41:52 haha 2008-07-14T20:41:53 that way nobody will complain for a little while 2008-07-14T20:42:04 (I learn all my best tricks from MySQL) 2008-07-14T20:42:10 djfiander: ALTER TABLE acq.fund ALTER COLUMN year ADD CONSTRAINT oh_no_you_dont CHECK (year >= EXTRACT(YEAR FROM NOW()); 2008-07-14T20:42:14 er 2008-07-14T20:42:17 dbs, rather 2008-07-14T20:42:39 install in too years? NO HISTORY FOR YOU 2008-07-14T20:43:04 two even 2008-07-14T20:43:11 too excited about this... 2008-07-14T20:43:24 * djfiander hoses miker_ down 2008-07-14T20:44:00 * dbs lols 2008-07-14T20:44:50 so berick, you think the RFC is enough to base our first draft on? heh. 2008-07-14T20:45:56 I'm getting a Pylons "500 Internal server error" on 2008-07-14T20:46:01 http://acq.open-ils.org/djf/acq/picklist/view/230 2008-07-14T20:46:39 dbs: gotta be honest... i haven't looked. some unplanned (what is, right?) work has cropped up 2008-07-14T20:47:03 dinnae worry about it. until tomorrow night, at least 2008-07-14T20:48:57 berick pasted "apache error for djfiander" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/63712 2008-07-14T20:49:28 djfiander: sorry, wrong paste 2008-07-14T20:49:29 sec 2008-07-14T20:50:39 dbs: I haven't seen 'splice @array;' used to empty an array in years! :) (he said, without any context at all) 2008-07-14T20:51:02 yeah, I'm a man of limited intelligence 2008-07-14T20:51:13 djfiander: well, that is the right paste, but i don't know why it's referenceing a file in my home dir 2008-07-14T20:51:15 haha ... that's not what I meant :) 2008-07-14T20:53:03 miker_: no, it's just one of those things stuck in my head 2008-07-14T20:53:16 okay, have to relieve lynn on amber-putting-to-sleep duty 2008-07-14T20:58:52 berick: can you get (new) last error on that page for me? 2008-07-14T20:59:56 yeah 2008-07-14T21:00:26 looks the same: SyntaxException: (SyntaxError) invalid syntax (line 2) (u"_(# Copies)}', field: 'item_count'},\ 2008-07-14T21:00:38 ignore the \ 2008-07-14T21:01:03 hmm.. 2008-07-14T21:01:06 check now. 2008-07-14T21:01:41 oh wait 2008-07-14T21:01:48 same... 2008-07-14T21:02:05 it's still referencing a file in my home dir 2008-07-14T21:02:11 something's wacky 2008-07-14T21:02:31 especially since a recent edit of mine replaced the '#' with 'No.' 2008-07-14T21:04:15 hm, well the syntax is broken regardless. Pylons needs its on quotes around the i18n-ized string. e.g. '{$_("ID")}' 2008-07-14T21:04:21 s/on/own/ 2008-07-14T21:04:34 yup, and I've changed all those in the copy in _my_ home directory ;-) 2008-07-14T21:04:39 ah 2008-07-14T21:04:57 unless pylons is just giving up when it find bad stuff in what I just checked in, and you probably just svn up'd 2008-07-14T21:05:53 i did 2008-07-14T21:06:23 ok, I've checked in fixed I18N 2008-07-14T21:06:35 ok, updated 2008-07-14T21:07:08 and that fixed the problem 2008-07-14T21:07:12 wth 2008-07-14T21:07:13 now we know. 2008-07-14T21:07:24 one pylons, one problem ;-) 2008-07-14T21:07:47 it should be serving them as different apps, though 2008-07-14T21:08:06 but, then again, it's the first time i've set something like this up 2008-07-14T21:08:12 so, i probably missed something 2008-07-14T21:08:58 So, this EDI stuff is totally exciting to read about. 2008-07-14T21:09:27 * miker_ wipes the sarcasm off his shoes that just dripped from mjg_'s comment 2008-07-14T21:09:32 djfiander: hey, mind changing your 'cache' dir in deployment.ini? wonder if that'll fix that particular issue 2008-07-14T21:09:54 the bleeding over of files, that is 2008-07-14T21:10:22 * mjg_ cries blood 2008-07-14T21:10:35 mjg_: heh, you should ask djfiander about reading the SIP docs ;) 2008-07-14T21:10:48 Yeah. And I guess it's no worse than frakkin' MARC. 2008-07-14T21:10:56 berick: the SIP docs had the advantage that they were incredibly short. 2008-07-14T21:11:01 too bad about the errors, thought ;-) 2008-07-14T21:11:01 * mjg_ wants cheese with his whine 2008-07-14T21:11:21 berick: to anything in particular? 2008-07-14T21:11:38 So yeah. I'm slowly working through all the docs and pdfs and wiki pages and e-mails that y'all have pointed me to and written about. Just so's ya's knows. 2008-07-14T21:11:54 djfiander: /openils/var/djfcache 2008-07-14T21:11:54 mjg_: better you than me, dude 2008-07-14T21:11:56 I have bots up and running again, so that's a minor victory. 2008-07-14T21:12:12 done 2008-07-14T21:12:16 The whipping boy is a role I tend to play often, so totally, djfiander. 2008-07-14T21:12:27 djfiander: did the UWindsor job post yet? you apply? 2008-07-14T21:12:36 djfiander: thx, restarting apache.. 2008-07-14T21:12:50 mjg_: I have been complaining for my entire tenure on Evergreen that I would LOVE an assignment that didn't involve learning something 2008-07-14T21:13:12 mjg_: not yet. I think they might frown on a a preemptive strike ;-) 2008-07-14T21:13:28 (ie, neither posted nor applied) 2008-07-14T21:13:33 * mjg_ nods 2008-07-14T21:17:05 @tunes sboyette 2008-07-14T21:17:05 sboyette: Error: "tunes" is not a valid command. 2008-07-14T21:17:08 not to mention that uwindsor itself is negotiating a new faculty contract (for another sense of strike) 2008-07-14T21:17:21 hey wrong channel \o/ 2008-07-14T21:17:32 dbs: word is that that's highly unlikely 2008-07-14T21:18:01 djfiander: oh, of course - few and far between are the striking faculties 2008-07-14T21:18:09 we're in negotiations too 2008-07-14T21:18:15 but that is the cause for the delay in the posting 2008-07-14T21:19:13 berick: any particular reason why the lineitem detail grid changed from displaying fund names to fund codes? 2008-07-14T21:20:21 berick: with the year selector on the fund page, could there be an "all" option that provides a query of * to the grid? 2008-07-14T21:22:40 *** kbeswick has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-07-14T21:22:55 djfiander: just for consistency. full names make more sense? 2008-07-14T21:22:57 dbs! 2008-07-14T21:23:03 kbeswick: you're alive 2008-07-14T21:23:03 miker_: yeah 2008-07-14T21:23:04 Gotta run. Catch y'all later! 2008-07-14T21:23:09 berick: doesn't matter. just asking. 2008-07-14T21:23:09 later 2008-07-14T21:23:14 bye mjg_ 2008-07-14T21:23:29 sorry about the gripping reading 2008-07-14T21:23:34 dbs: yes! and i finally figured out the problem that has been bugging me with the replacing the hardcoded path in the .c file before it is compiled 2008-07-14T21:23:39 and it works! 2008-07-14T21:23:50 dbs: :) It's not that bad, actually. 2008-07-14T21:23:53 yay 2008-07-14T21:24:04 (to both of you) 2008-07-14T21:24:11 kbeswick: mjg_ caught your sunburn 2008-07-14T21:24:30 dbs: ahh, i have shedded all my burnt skin and am ready for more. 2008-07-14T21:24:33 sunburns are contagious? 2008-07-14T21:24:43 sideburns are 2008-07-14T21:24:44 ew... intern skin all over the lab :( 2008-07-14T21:24:56 berick: that would explain the 50s 2008-07-14T21:25:57 * mjg_ sends his extra burnt skin to kbeswick 2008-07-14T21:26:04 smells like bacon! 2008-07-14T21:26:25 *** mjg_ has quit IRC 2008-07-14T21:26:28 mjg_: you're supposed to put on sunscreen, not tanning oil 2008-07-14T21:26:33 missed 2008-07-14T21:26:49 wow. a really good way to enb0Rk3n your EG setup is to use /dev/random instead of /dev/urandom in apache 2008-07-14T21:27:27 really? 2008-07-14T21:27:30 dbs: I see with with Craig's big ol' patch that the cannuck patch is now (well, shortly) obsolete 2008-07-14T21:27:31 dbs: i somehow checked out my branch from the bzr server from home, but i couldnt push my changes, so i have a patch on my laptop 2008-07-14T21:28:03 did a little home workin' today since i got home last night at around 4:30am 2008-07-14T21:28:16 miker_: porkcisely 2008-07-14T21:28:41 kbeswick: yeah, outside of 142.* you have to connect to port 443 on that server - should have warned you 2008-07-14T21:28:49 ahh 2008-07-14T21:29:32 kbeswick: you know, you can always bzr co http://bzr.coffeecode.net/ILS/trunk; bzr diff --old /path/to/trunk /path/to/autotools > mynew.patch 2008-07-14T21:29:59 (i'm mirroring trunk in bzr on coffeecode, so creating a new bzr branch takes a minute instead of hours) 2008-07-14T21:30:53 are you mirroring the openils trunk? 2008-07-14T21:31:01 i mean 2008-07-14T21:31:01 srf 2008-07-14T21:31:06 yessir 2008-07-14T21:31:17 http://bzr.coffeecode.net/OpenSRF/trunk 2008-07-14T21:33:34 *** kbeswick has quit IRC 2008-07-14T21:34:49 of course, bzr has the side effect of killing your IRC session 2008-07-14T21:35:08 so it would seem 2008-07-14T21:35:25 * miker_ waits for cthdrl ... or is that just CVS? 2008-07-14T21:39:36 heh 2008-07-14T21:39:45 cthdrl = clearcase, no? 2008-07-14T21:39:54 (or CMVC, for poor IBM schleps) 2008-07-14T21:40:02 sourcesafe 2008-07-14T21:40:04 * miker_ vomits 2008-07-14T21:40:45 RATIONAL ROSE AND CLEARCASE EXPERIENCE REQ'D 2008-07-14T21:41:22 IBM is a clearcase shop now 2008-07-14T21:41:40 must be able to move boxes around (5 yrs UML exp.) 2008-07-14T21:41:57 arrows a plus 2008-07-14T21:42:10 * dbs laughs to think that DB2 developers recoiled in fear and successfully prevented the introduction of "parallel checkouts" 2008-07-14T21:42:24 hahahaha 2008-07-14T21:42:26 berick: how do I modify marc attrs? like the JUB price? 2008-07-14T21:42:50 so - exactly one person could "check out" a file at a time... and keep it locked for months... and nobody else could change it 2008-07-14T21:43:08 yay, RCS! 2008-07-14T21:43:09 yay for RCS 2008-07-14T21:43:10 haha 2008-07-14T21:43:13 jinx 2008-07-14T21:43:14 nice :) 2008-07-14T21:43:25 djfiander: whoa, i was just about to start looking at the price stuff... 2008-07-14T21:43:33 sboyette, you're going to fit in just fine 2008-07-14T21:43:36 * djfiander notes that he make at least one version of RCS Y2K ready 2008-07-14T21:44:07 dbs: were you around last time i was? (early 2006-ish?) 2008-07-14T21:44:08 berick: then I withdraw from the field and give you precedence ;-) 2008-07-14T21:44:21 you seem new. i know you're with laurentian, but that doesn't mean you weren't hanging out here... 2008-07-14T21:44:23 sboyette: no, I was still working for IBM then 2008-07-14T21:44:28 ahhhh 2008-07-14T21:44:45 my condolences. i know another Canadian ex-IBMer 2008-07-14T21:44:47 djfiander: no! don't withdraw ;) i may just need to add some ML code for attr updating 2008-07-14T21:44:48 she was happy to leave 2008-07-14T21:44:54 March 1, 2006, I joined laurentian and rejoined the library world 2008-07-14T21:45:02 berick: ok. 2008-07-14T21:45:18 right now, I've got an editor set in the jubgrid, but no onset function in the store. 2008-07-14T21:45:39 clicking on the cell in the grid does nothing. not sure if that's because of no onset or because I'm an idiot. 2008-07-14T21:45:54 *** grahamf has joined #Openils-evergreen 2008-07-14T21:45:56 dbs: was it just that recently? Man ... feels like eons ;) 2008-07-14T21:45:56 sboyette: I worked with some great people, and I was treated extremely well 2008-07-14T21:46:15 miker_: we met in person in November 2006, I think 2008-07-14T21:46:48 sboyette: so I had to leave IBM to get the abuse I craved 2008-07-14T21:47:03 dbs: yes, at the windsor dealy 2008-07-14T21:47:51 http://coffeecode.net/archives/105-Evergreen-internationalization-chat.html 2008-07-14T21:48:29 ahh, yes, I remember it well. fear not! 2008-07-14T21:48:31 dbs: we must have met then too. 2008-07-14T21:48:32 * dbs notes that his blog migration to UTF8 encoding on MySQL didn't go so well 2008-07-14T21:48:58 djfiander: certainly at access 2008-07-14T21:48:58 * djfiander switches away from prices and over to providers, since they're easier to update 2008-07-14T21:49:05 hm, i wonder if we shouldn't put a price column directly on the lineitem 2008-07-14T21:49:34 dbs: in Edmonton? 2008-07-14T21:49:45 "Most strings are contained in XML files, but there are still pockets of hardcoded strings" -- ahh, yeah. I think we can say that's true NOW 2008-07-14T21:49:50 no, you were still at IBM then. in Ottawa 2008-07-14T21:49:51 djfiander: Ottawa 2008-07-14T21:50:00 fwiw, our former system had a "list", "discount", "our price" (or similar)... in case of B&T, we got like 37% off retail 2008-07-14T21:50:04 I believe Stan Orlov stole your hat 2008-07-14T21:50:07 dbs: i had a decade of abuse as a mainframe (ES/9000 baby) and linux programmer, which is what led to my long stint as the Unemployed Jerk Who Hangs Around Here For No Good Reason 2008-07-14T21:50:11 seems odd to update the provider_attr_def. to change the item price, especially if you are using an Evergreen record as the bib 2008-07-14T21:50:19 dbs: then i got a job at google, and now i'm back here 2008-07-14T21:50:26 dbs: yes, and placed it on the statue's head. 2008-07-14T21:50:53 only 7 days left at google, holy crap 2008-07-14T21:51:29 -= THIS MESSAGE NOT LOGGED =- 2008-07-14T21:52:25 "PINES is in the process of translating the OPAC interface into Spanish" - yeah, how's that going Elizabeth? 2008-07-14T21:52:28 :) 2008-07-14T21:52:35 "I was sold a bill of goods!" 2008-07-14T21:52:42 it's not clear to me that we know exactly what we're going to be billed until the invoice arrives. the price listed on the bookslip is the max. 2008-07-14T21:52:44 dbs: me too on that one 2008-07-14T21:53:40 right, it's the bookslip price until proven otherwise 2008-07-14T21:54:14 * dbs goes to look at the oss4pl acq document to see if it shines any light 2008-07-14T21:56:03 ffx3 on windows (vbox) seems much faster than ffx2 on linux 2008-07-14T21:56:22 ff3 anywhere is faster than ff2 2008-07-14T21:56:35 (IME) 2008-07-14T21:57:03 ok, time for me to step away from the computer 2008-07-14T21:57:12 *** djfiander has quit IRC 2008-07-14T21:57:18 probably so ... unfortunately no flash for x64 on linux :( 2008-07-14T21:57:42 and no ffx-32 packages for ffx3 yet 2008-07-14T21:58:11 *** grahamf has quit IRC 2008-07-14T22:03:44 hmm, kcls docs don't seem to specify the whole item price dance 2008-07-14T22:05:46 sboyette: I imagine you're pretty excited to be jumping on board the ESI train - any hints as to your primary role? 2008-07-14T22:06:11 changing all instances of "splice @array" to "@array = []"? :) 2008-07-14T22:06:34 dbs: or "@array = ()", whatever 2008-07-14T22:06:36 * miker_ ducks 2008-07-14T22:06:40 yeah, that 2008-07-14T22:07:09 suffering from language whiplash 2008-07-14T22:09:28 dbs: oh, I know ... I'm constantly typing foo=x.y; in JS and bar=z+baz; in perl 2008-07-14T22:10:29 better than leaving off the name of your array variable entirely, as I did in check_entities.py, and having the damn thing run happily checking an anonymous array 2008-07-14T22:10:43 (which masked lots of duplicate entity definitions, grr) 2008-07-14T22:11:05 dbs: i asked for the data munging job for starters. looks like i'll also be having a side of "whatever software engineering type junk looks good" 2008-07-14T22:11:25 data munging - that's good stuff 2008-07-14T22:11:33 and miker_ kept saying i should pick up some back-end stuff, which is cool with me 2008-07-14T22:11:40 btw, who monitors careers@esilibrary.com? 2008-07-14T22:12:04 dbs: me ... I got your note, and agree 2008-07-14T22:12:20 dbs: better minds than mine should work on the postings 2008-07-14T22:12:20 i'm assuming that after my years of bitching about web programming, they know better than to throw me at the client :) 2008-07-14T22:12:43 though, to be honest, i'm not exactly opposed to working on that too, if i'm needed. things are a little different than they used to be. 2008-07-14T22:13:02 sboyette++ 2008-07-14T22:13:19 miker_: hah, okay :) 2008-07-14T22:14:25 dbs: like Shae :) ... /me makes a note 2008-07-14T22:15:16 sboyette: we have a veritable buffet of random digital goodness for you to sample ... and 30-is libraries to migrate ere year's end 2008-07-14T22:15:18 :) 2008-07-14T22:15:34 biab 2008-07-14T22:15:36 Shæ - I love ligatures 2008-07-14T22:20:01 i'm really just happy to be somewhere that i can (i hope) make a visible difference. and, of course, the whole library part. 2008-07-14T22:20:37 being google hwops is not unlike being a roman centurion 2008-07-14T22:20:56 you're one of the best, but you're one of legion, and your deeds are hidden 2008-07-14T22:21:24 if i may indulge in a moment of hubris 2008-07-14T22:21:53 you certainly may 2008-07-14T22:23:43 now i'll indulge in a moment of german power metal! 2008-07-14T22:28:19 Dokken 2008-07-14T22:29:47 "Dammit, Rusty, if Don Dokken is involved, it's devily music." 2008-07-14T22:30:03 he's american though. i as listening to Iron Savior :) 2008-07-14T22:33:54 miker_: where's that release, boyo?