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I downloaded 1.2.3.0 but I might just wait if .1 will out before attempting the install 2008-09-10T09:28:57 wlayton: next week, it looks like 2008-09-10T09:29:08 well, actually 2008-09-10T09:29:17 * dbs summons his dusty memories of last night 2008-09-10T09:29:40 miker_ is on a business trip, but said he would have nothing else to do in the hotel room tonight - so possibly tonight he'll wrap it up 2008-09-10T09:29:46 (sorry, i was on the phone) 2008-09-10T09:30:44 ah, in that case I'll just install .0 tonight and start poking around 2008-09-10T09:37:48 wlayton: if you're brave you could try trunk OpenSRF and trunk Evergreen; if I'm around I could walk you through that install 2008-09-10T09:38:01 or, heck, start documenting it (as phasefx has asked for the same thing) 2008-09-10T09:42:37 dbs: yeah, I'll definitely be moving to trunk shortly. I just want to get the whole Stable Install Experience first. 2008-09-10T09:42:54 dbs: Once I shift over to trunk, I'll be glad to help the doc effort. 2008-09-10T09:55:14 *** Mark__T has left #openils-evergreen 2008-09-10T10:02:24 wlayton: right, I hear you :) 2008-09-10T10:33:32 *** skmurphy has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-10T10:47:39 *** dbs has quit IRC 2008-09-10T10:49:21 *** dbs has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-10T12:25:04 *** mib_e7hy2f has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-10T12:44:23 *** dbs has quit IRC 2008-09-10T12:50:17 *** miker_ has quit IRC 2008-09-10T13:01:48 *** atheos has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-09-10T13:10:34 *** sarabee has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-10T13:39:20 *** rsinger_ has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-09-10T13:54:58 *** rsinger has quit IRC 2008-09-10T14:11:34 *** rsinger_ is now known as rsinger 2008-09-10T14:59:02 *** sboyette has quit IRC 2008-09-10T14:59:05 *** sboyette has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-10T15:09:46 (possible?) bug report. using demo.gapines.org, search for a patron, select, edit, don't need to change anything, finish, cancel, say OK to the "this will destroy any changes you made", and get a 404. 2008-09-10T15:21:58 *** brendan_ has quit IRC 2008-09-10T15:39:58 *** phase_bb has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-10T15:58:28 *** dbs has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-10T16:38:50 *** wlayton has quit IRC 2008-09-10T17:21:01 *** rsinger has quit IRC 2008-09-10T18:16:23 *** kgs has quit IRC 2008-09-10T19:15:37 *** grahamf has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-10T19:48:31 hi folks 2008-09-10T19:56:56 *** rsinger has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-09-10T20:10:31 *** rsinger has quit IRC 2008-09-10T20:13:52 hey grahamf 2008-09-10T20:14:09 I was just out at a (failed) mission to check my PO box 2008-09-10T20:16:07 hey dbs 2008-09-10T20:16:24 failed mission? 2008-09-10T20:16:56 flat tire or something? 2008-09-10T20:17:20 No - PO closed two hours ago 2008-09-10T20:17:36 ah. that would be a problem, yes. :-) 2008-09-10T20:18:15 I'm just looking at vandelay. Tried running it in my web browser (looks nice!) 2008-09-10T20:18:34 but just realized I need an authenticated session for the opensrf stuff to work 2008-09-10T20:19:19 I can look at it through the staff_client? 2008-09-10T20:20:18 well, no 2008-09-10T20:20:32 you can get an authenticated session from srfsh 2008-09-10T20:20:52 (no, as in "not yet" - I think!) 2008-09-10T20:21:02 do you have srfsh configured? 2008-09-10T20:21:26 (as grahamf thinks "ohmygod another thing to configure?" 2008-09-10T20:21:32 ok. Yes, I do, and can login (as admin). can I use that session somehow to run vandelay in my browser? 2008-09-10T20:21:38 yessir 2008-09-10T20:21:51 lol 2008-09-10T20:21:55 just append ?ses=your_session to the vandelay url 2008-09-10T20:22:01 ok great, let me try that 2008-09-10T20:22:30 one other thing you might need to do is edit vandelay.js and change VANDELAY_URL to vandelay-upload 2008-09-10T20:24:21 ok, did that too. No 404 from the http_translator this time, that's a good sign 2008-09-10T20:25:13 oh I take that back, another 404 2008-09-10T20:25:22 booo 2008-09-10T20:26:05 well, you probably got this, but VANDELAY-URL on mine is "/vandelay-upload" 2008-09-10T20:26:25 yeah, I changed that too 2008-09-10T20:26:44 if my log-fu is up to scratch, it looks like I got a permacrud error: 2008-09-10T20:26:45 does your /etc/apache2/eg_vhost.conf contain the vandelay section? 2008-09-10T20:26:47 Caught error from 'run' method: Can't use string ("1") as an ARRAY ref while "strict refs" in use at /openils/lib/perl5/OpenILS/Utils/CStoreEditor.pm line 671. 2008-09-10T20:26:47 2008-09-10T20:27:03 yes, I added that in (saw it in the eg_vhost conf) 2008-09-10T20:27:06 hmm 2008-09-10T20:27:15 do you have any other bib records in your system? 2008-09-10T20:27:33 not unless they come preloaded... 2008-09-10T20:27:36 (just a wild guess) 2008-09-10T20:27:46 no, they don't 2008-09-10T20:27:53 how's your psql-fu? 2008-09-10T20:28:01 heh, not too bad 2008-09-10T20:28:11 better than my perl-fu 2008-09-10T20:28:14 heh 2008-09-10T20:28:34 so, first - do you see the vandelay interface at all? 2008-09-10T20:29:04 yes, very shiny. (I had to install dojo in the /openils/var/web/.../js folder, but after that, all was well) 2008-09-10T20:29:32 * dbs groans... man, we have to document some of this stuff 2008-09-10T20:30:20 can you paste a larger section of your logs into http://paste.lisp.org/new/openils-evergreen ? 2008-09-10T20:30:26 Firebug made that one pretty obvious, thank goodness 2008-09-10T20:30:35 ah, firebug++ 2008-09-10T20:30:48 sure. let me try again, and get a fresh tail off of 'em 2008-09-10T20:32:12 (it's possible my db is borked. I *think* I updated the schema after my last evergreen install...) 2008-09-10T20:32:51 *** kgs has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-10T20:33:07 ahh, always a possibility :) 2008-09-10T20:33:31 the new way of installing a brand new schema, btw, is to manually invoke build-db.sh 2008-09-10T20:33:44 at least for the time being 2008-09-10T20:34:45 kbeswick_ is learning himself some perl and will be moving the --with-db* options from configure to a db-specific config script 2008-09-10T20:35:08 *** kgs has quit IRC 2008-09-10T20:36:14 that would be nice. Maybe I oughta just rebuild, and possibly save some grief. 2008-09-10T20:36:20 grahamf pasted "Graham's bad logs" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/66638 2008-09-10T20:37:15 give me a few, I'll shut everything down & rebuild. (thanks for the build-db.sh tip, BTW) 2008-09-10T20:38:13 aw crap, closed the perl/c stuff before stopping apache. apache doesn't seem to like that 2008-09-10T20:41:42 phone poll... one sec 2008-09-10T20:42:32 np, just rebuilding 2008-09-10T20:44:32 guess we'll be getting lots of those calls with ye olde election coming up 2008-09-10T20:45:27 as far as apache goes - yeah, a couple of the apache modules depend on opensrf (particularly http_translator) 2008-09-10T20:46:23 I'm actually interested in seeing more of osrfsys.log - back to the point just before where it started dying 2008-09-10T20:48:47 ok sure. btw, ran build-db.sh, restarted everything, same error. I'll grab more log. 2008-09-10T20:49:09 weird 2008-09-10T20:49:36 I can't imagine that autogen.sh would be needed here, but what the hell 2008-09-10T20:49:44 (have you run autogen?) 2008-09-10T20:50:34 just to be incredibly confusing, that's not the top-level autogen.sh that generates configure; it's the /openils/bin/autogen.sh (sigh) 2008-09-10T20:51:56 grahamf annotated #66638 with "osrfsys.log -- enough?" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/66638#1 2008-09-10T20:52:49 right, I'll try autogen again (actually I gave myself an /openils/bin/autogen-run-this-one that has the right args) 2008-09-10T20:53:27 no errors on autogen.sh 2008-09-10T20:54:17 ..still a pair of 404s on the http_translator. 2008-09-10T20:55:57 hey I see a failed SQL query in that log I just sent you 2008-09-10T20:56:01 okay, in the log, can you try running the sql that fails directly in psql? 2008-09-10T20:56:04 oh, great minds 2008-09-10T20:56:13 oh yeah :-) 2008-09-10T20:56:56 jeez: schema "vandelay" does not exist 2008-09-10T20:57:06 maybe build-db didn't take 2008-09-10T20:57:33 ooooh 2008-09-10T20:57:36 heh 2008-09-10T20:57:42 vandelay hasn't been added to build-db 2008-09-10T20:58:08 so it's ye olde "psql -f filename.sql" for that 2008-09-10T20:58:09 hm it shows up in build-db's ordered_file_list, 2008-09-10T20:58:14 really? 2008-09-10T20:58:17 hmm 2008-09-10T20:58:25 line 94 2008-09-10T20:58:28 maybe it's new? 2008-09-10T20:58:55 or maybe I'm on crack 2008-09-10T20:59:10 can you run 012.vandelay.sql directly and tell me what error you get? 2008-09-10T20:59:16 or maybe someone committed it while you were checking your PO box 2008-09-10T20:59:55 hah! no, it's been there for a while; I think I was just running it manually every time miker_ or berick updated it 2008-09-10T21:00:14 or maybe I'm on crack -- no errors running 012.vandelay.sql, and I see the vandelay schema has been created 2008-09-10T21:00:24 * grahamf ran build-db.sh, honest /me did 2008-09-10T21:01:01 gee, I wonder if anything else is missing... 2008-09-10T21:01:30 \dn in psql should give you 21 rows 2008-09-10T21:01:30 *** b_ has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-10T21:02:09 yep it does, and the query from the log works now 2008-09-10T21:02:28 14 rows of xpath stuff 2008-09-10T21:03:14 should I restart the osrf processes, I wonder... hm, still getting 404s, so I think I might. 2008-09-10T21:05:40 it can't hurt 2008-09-10T21:05:48 restart_perl, restart_c should be enough 2008-09-10T21:05:54 (and should keep apache happy) 2008-09-10T21:06:33 ok. ran autogen again for good measure too 2008-09-10T21:07:58 btw if anyone is running srfsh in Emacs, it helps to put a dummy 'less' on the $PATH that works like 'cat' (no paging), otherwise you get all kinds of "warning, terminal not fully functional" nonsense. (at least i do) 2008-09-10T21:08:34 heh - if autogen works once, that should be enough (until the next time that you rebuild the whole schema) 2008-09-10T21:08:58 srfsh in emacs - oh no, an emacs user has invaded our happy little vim channel! 2008-09-10T21:10:14 *vim* users? Why was I not informed of this?!? 2008-09-10T21:11:10 ah well, I can overlook that I guess. 2008-09-10T21:11:15 likewise :) 2008-09-10T21:11:27 * grahamf is glad we can all just get along 2008-09-10T21:11:52 it's still early days, grahamf 2008-09-10T21:12:00 ah true 2008-09-10T21:12:09 still getting errors, but it's new, looks like a DELETE is failing. I'll paste again, having a bit of trouble grokking the log msg 2008-09-10T21:12:18 okay 2008-09-10T21:12:54 one of the "summer of code" projects I had proposed was adding more trouble-shooting friendly error msgs and troubleshooter tools 2008-09-10T21:13:42 It looks like a JSON-ish roll-yer-own SQL datastructure, I'm sure it's pretty readable, I just haven't developed a good mental parser for it yet. 2008-09-10T21:13:49 but nice error msgs are always welcome 2008-09-10T21:14:45 grahamf annotated #66638 with "osrfsys.log -- last 100 lines" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/66638#2 2008-09-10T21:16:37 I think I'll check the postgres logs 2008-09-10T21:17:18 ERROR: relation "money.open_balance_by_usr_home_and_owning_lib" does not exist 2008-09-10T21:17:18 2008-09-10T21:17:21 STATEMENT: SELECT * FROM money.open_balance_by_usr_home_and_owning_lib AS x WHERE 1=0; 2008-09-10T21:17:21 2008-09-10T21:17:36 hm, that build-db.sh really didn't seem to take 2008-09-10T21:18:09 well, that's in example.reporter-extension.sql - did I add that to build-db.sh? 2008-09-10T21:18:39 extend-reporter.sql? it's the last line 2008-09-10T21:18:42 nope, extend-reporter is there, not example.reporter 2008-09-10T21:18:52 ah 2008-09-10T21:18:54 (yes, that's crazy too) 2008-09-10T21:19:17 I'll run it then... 2008-09-10T21:19:20 example.reporter is meant to be an example, but the fields are baked into fm_IDL.xml 2008-09-10T21:19:50 so when cstore starts up, it tries to generate all kinds of objects defined in fm_IDL.xml, and barfs on those missing ones 2008-09-10T21:20:24 I don't think it should effect vandelay, but it sure dirties up the postgresql logs 2008-09-10T21:20:44 ah, so a red herring. 2008-09-10T21:21:06 so in the osrfsys.log, it looks like it's failing when it's checking for the DELETE_BIB_IMPORT_IMPORT_FIELD_DEF permission 2008-09-10T21:21:22 a configuration problem, then? 2008-09-10T21:21:51 which is defined in vqbrad class in fm_IDL.xml 2008-09-10T21:22:37 the IMPORT_IMPORT - doesn't that look weird? 2008-09-10T21:22:51 yes yes 2008-09-10T21:22:56 *** rsinger has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-09-10T21:23:06 wierd as in "oughn't be there"? 2008-09-10T21:23:18 heh heh 2008-09-10T21:23:25 s/oughn't/oughtn't of course 2008-09-10T21:23:38 *** rsinger_ has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-09-10T21:24:02 vqbrad is an alias for vandelay.bib_attr_definition if I'm reading that right 2008-09-10T21:25:20 ah you're talking about 'vqbrad' in the code, not in the schema... 2008-09-10T21:25:21 yup 2008-09-10T21:25:56 (well, in fm_IDL.xml) 2008-09-10T21:26:38 ah 2008-09-10T21:27:25 well - my instance doesn't have that permission defined in permission.perm_list, so I might be out of my depth there 2008-09-10T21:28:07 I do wonder, though, if you might need to use a workstation login with srfsh for the session key (a bit of a stab in the dark) 2008-09-10T21:28:17 let me try _not_ using a workstation login 2008-09-10T21:28:44 neither does mine (and thanks for the permission.perm_list ref) 2008-09-10T21:28:46 (and for those playing along at home, "login [workstation]" is the syntax I believe 2008-09-10T21:30:59 grepping across sql/Pg/*, no matches for *IMPORT_IMPORT* 2008-09-10T21:32:04 well, for what it's worth, it works fine here with just a regular session 2008-09-10T21:32:08 looks like it's missing from data.seed-values.sql? 2008-09-10T21:32:25 no, because I'm running the same version as you and it works for me 2008-09-10T21:32:56 when you say regular session, you mean you "login userid pwd" and then run vandelay in your browser? 2008-09-10T21:33:03 (copying the session ID?) 2008-09-10T21:33:17 yep 2008-09-10T21:33:19 note I only have an admin user in my db 2008-09-10T21:33:20 http://comet.cs.uoguelph.ca/vandelay/vandelay.html?ses=a69bd4d1033e2ca9eff293fe48af02c5 2008-09-10T21:33:26 moi aussi :) 2008-09-10T21:34:04 *** rsinger has quit IRC 2008-09-10T21:34:40 (insert maniacal laugh as I hijack your vandelay session) 2008-09-10T21:34:59 go wild, man 2008-09-10T21:35:13 you have about 300 seconds left to insert some MARC records 2008-09-10T21:35:15 well I'll be, no errors. hrm. So my install isn't so installed. 2008-09-10T21:35:30 *** kgs has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-10T21:35:35 lol, let me grab the MARC set for my comic book collection 2008-09-10T21:36:09 grahamf: also of interest - did you run settings-tester.pl? and does "ps wax | grep Open" show any opensrf-c processes? 2008-09-10T21:36:16 are you running svn trunk? 2008-09-10T21:36:29 i forgot about settings-tester, let me check 2008-09-10T21:36:56 (yep lots of Open in ps) 2008-09-10T21:37:07 heh, by definition "grep Open" won't find opensrf-c ; grep -i will 2008-09-10T21:37:14 okay 2008-09-10T21:37:31 yep, comet is running svn trunk as of about Monday I think 2008-09-10T21:38:10 is anything turning up in the vandelay_unix.log file? 2008-09-10T21:38:12 settings-tester gives me green lights, except a warning about my libdbdpgsql.so not being linked against libdbi 2008-09-10T21:38:46 vandelay-who log? I don't have one of those, not in /openils/var/log 2008-09-10T21:39:08 oh, yeah, don't worry about that libdbi warning, I should remove that 2008-09-10T21:39:21 hmm - sounds like vandelay isn't even getting hit then. weird. 2008-09-10T21:39:33 can't find one anywhere on my filesystem 2008-09-10T21:39:43 does vandelay run its own process? can I 'ps' for it? 2008-09-10T21:39:46 yeah, it would be in /openils/var/log 2008-09-10T21:40:55 no, it's just the html + js + http_translator (apache module) 2008-09-10T21:41:03 any apache errors of interest? 2008-09-10T21:41:36 if I 'introspect open-ils.vandelay' I get an 'unable to communicate' 2008-09-10T21:42:04 crap - there is a vandelay service 2008-09-10T21:42:05 dbs-- 2008-09-10T21:42:42 (dbs++)++; 2008-09-10T21:43:13 so ps wax | grep vandelay | wc -l == 0 for you? 2008-09-10T21:43:36 yes, no vandelays in my process list 2008-09-10T21:44:08 ahh. so that's bad. introspect open-ils.vandelay does work for me 2008-09-10T21:44:21 let's peek at your opensrf.xml then, shall we? 2008-09-10T21:44:27 ok 2008-09-10T21:44:51 does your activeapps element contain vandelay and fielder entries? 2008-09-10T21:44:57 arg, no vandelay in there 2008-09-10T21:45:01 (should be at the very bottom) 2008-09-10T21:45:20 yeah, it might not be in the example yet; vandelay is a recent development 2008-09-10T21:45:43 I see the example in trunk, I'll grab that 2008-09-10T21:45:55 * berick pokes head in for a sec 2008-09-10T21:46:03 hi, dbs and grahamf 2008-09-10T21:46:05 berick! 2008-09-10T21:46:06 hi berick 2008-09-10T21:46:38 i have some plane-code that i hope won't break vendelay too badly ;) 2008-09-10T21:46:46 we're playing "how far off course can dbs throw grahamf" tonight 2008-09-10T21:46:57 yay plane code! 2008-09-10T21:47:39 heh. so far the outcome is "pretty darn far" 2008-09-10T21:48:04 heh 2008-09-10T21:48:18 think it's safe just to copy the vandelay section from opensrf.xml.example into my opensrf.xml? 2008-09-10T21:48:59 grahamf: it should be 2008-09-10T21:49:01 yep, should be good 2008-09-10T21:49:03 ok 2008-09-10T21:49:17 and add vandelay to the activeapps element of course 2008-09-10T21:49:43 a restart_perl should make it appear, if all is well 2008-09-10T21:50:28 berick: this grahamf guy - he uses emacs! artunit didn't tell us about that 2008-09-10T21:50:55 alright... him and sboyette can share war stories 2008-09-10T21:51:48 sboyette is my new friend 2008-09-10T21:53:39 berick: is DELETE_BIB_IMPORT_IMPORT_FIELD_DEF some sick joke of miker_'s? 2008-09-10T21:53:49 eureka, i can introspect open-ils.vandelay 2008-09-10T21:53:55 woohoo 2008-09-10T21:54:29 s/some sick joke of miker_'s/some joke of sick miker_'s/ 2008-09-10T21:55:03 dbs: yeah, i assume that's a typo 2008-09-10T21:55:08 and no 404s! w00t! 2008-09-10T21:55:21 berick++ 2008-09-10T21:55:28 dbs: yer the man. thanks 2008-09-10T21:55:53 heh - so now you're supposed to pounce on poor unsuspecting berick, right? 2008-09-10T21:56:11 d'oh. you gave it away 2008-09-10T21:56:19 * grahamf pounces on poor unsuspecting berick 2008-09-10T21:56:30 hey berick, would you like some help with vandelay? 2008-09-10T21:56:33 whoa! i was not expecting that! 2008-09-10T21:56:57 grahamf: why, funny you should ask 2008-09-10T21:56:59 No one expects the Spanish... oh wait a minute, wrong channel. 2008-09-10T21:57:20 well, you know, it just sort of came to me. 2008-09-10T21:57:44 how can I help? 2008-09-10T21:58:05 * berick hopes these untested commits didn't break everything 2008-09-10T21:59:09 (I am gonna sign off soon, I mentioned to my wife that I would only be a few more minutes, and that was at 9:00) 2008-09-10T21:59:14 grahamf: the next project i was working on is a way to define the bib/authority record extraction definitions 2008-09-10T21:59:39 grahamf: would you like me to send an email with some explanations? 2008-09-10T21:59:53 yes, absolutely. and some sample data if you have it. 2008-09-10T22:00:14 grahamf: will do. what's your schedule like this week? 2008-09-10T22:00:43 i'll be out of pocket for the rest of this week, but i can at least get an email to you 2008-09-10T22:00:50 I can work a couple hours, most evenings this week 2008-09-10T22:01:01 * dbs swoons with relief 2008-09-10T22:01:17 that would be great. I can scrounge for sample data. I'll pounce artunit, maybe. (don't tell him) 2008-09-10T22:01:40 grahamf: ok, cool. i'll at least check in at night to see if there are any outstanding questions, etc. 2008-09-10T22:02:34 great -- thank you! 2008-09-10T22:03:33 does this channel have a bot for leaving messages for offline people, you know, "tell berick "? 2008-09-10T22:03:47 @later tell berick yo! 2008-09-10T22:03:47 berick: The operation succeeded. 2008-09-10T22:04:07 ah pinesol, you're a champ. 2008-09-10T22:04:32 ok, folks, I'm going to pack it in for tonight. Thanks again dbs for your help tonight. 2008-09-10T22:04:39 later, grahamf 2008-09-10T22:05:01 later, berick; later, dbs. 2008-09-10T22:05:01 grahamf: I'm going to try to push sample sets of data into Open-ILS/tests/datasets 2008-09-10T22:05:05 good night! 2008-09-10T22:05:14 dbs: cool, thank you 2008-09-10T22:05:42 I suspect I am the only channel-member who doesn't have a MARC dataset on his laptop 2008-09-10T22:05:51 g'nite all 2008-09-10T22:05:55 *** grahamf has quit IRC 2008-09-10T22:06:14 AUGH! The horror of that sign-off message! 2008-09-10T22:06:32 haha 2008-09-10T22:22:37 berick: sooo - if grahamf picks up on dojo with vandelay quick (and boy howdy, he's a smart smart guy), maybe he can help you with acq UI first while serials backend gets fleshed out? 2008-09-10T22:23:30 dbs: that would be like heaven 2008-09-10T22:23:35 (and don't feel obliged to respond tonight, I know you're just back from travel and just stepped in to wave at grahamf) 2008-09-10T22:23:43 d'oh - too late 2008-09-10T22:23:48 okay. now go! 2008-09-10T22:26:01 graham has his email.. now I go 2008-09-10T22:28:50 /kick berick 2008-09-10T22:34:16 *** miker_ has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-10T22:34:48 the toooooobs! 2008-09-10T22:40:33 *** wlayton has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-09-10T22:41:42 ohmygodit'smiker_! 2008-09-10T22:41:46 and wlayton 2008-09-10T22:42:20 and kbeswick_ ! 2008-09-10T22:42:55 miker_: (sent to berick 'bout an hour ago): is DELETE_BIB_IMPORT_IMPORT_FIELD_DEF some sick joke of miker_'s? 2008-09-10T22:43:06 (in fm_IDL.xml, natch) 2008-09-10T22:43:15 * dbs pats kbeswick_ 2008-09-10T22:43:16 I'm only here for a few minutes. 2008-09-10T22:43:18 perm nam? 2008-09-10T22:43:19 name? 2008-09-10T22:43:59 btw, today I accidentally discovered that Evergreen likely does better input checking than Koha 2008-09-10T22:44:18 miker_: yessiree 2008-09-10T22:44:21 http://thebookpile.wordpress.com/2008/09/10/input-validation-in-koha-and-evergreen-one-simple-test-with-screenshots/ 2008-09-10T22:44:22 for vqbrad 2008-09-10T22:44:59 wlayton: heh - cool 2008-09-10T22:45:32 also, in evergreen you won't get results like "pail" when you input "paul" 2008-09-10T22:46:48 (although to be fair I haven't gone back to see if the final release of koha/zebra improved the spellcheck algorithm) 2008-09-10T22:47:15 dbs: the perm names were built from the table and fields ... it might be a mistake, but I don't recall ATM 2008-09-10T22:47:37 okay - your travel going all right? 2008-09-10T22:47:46 s/going/went/ 2008-09-10T22:47:47 indeed 2008-09-10T22:47:56 er 2008-09-10T22:48:05 um... it's going well so far 2008-09-10T22:48:26 I'm out west, so it's "early" 2008-09-10T22:53:47 so a midnight PST release then? :) 2008-09-10T22:53:59 heh 2008-09-10T22:54:35 well, I forgot that just because I wasn't there to read email that people wouldn't stop sending it... 2008-09-10T23:01:07 *** wlayton has quit IRC 2008-09-10T23:08:49 random thought of the day: isbn normalization as part of ingest, generating isbn13 and/or isbn10 equivalence 2008-09-10T23:09:51 (which sprang to mind when I realized RefWorks converts isbn13s from incoming references to isbn10s for the purposes of catalog searches...) 2008-09-10T23:17:17 dbs: I've been thinking about separating identifier searches, and i10/i13 normalization too as part of that ... just thinking so far, though 2008-09-10T23:17:30 Thinking is fine 2008-09-10T23:18:25 not to mention isbn/issn normalization at indexing time (strip those hyphens from ISBNs! ensure that there's one hyphen in the right place in ISSNs! blah blah) 2008-09-10T23:19:28 yeah ... or use the isxn contrib module ;) 2008-09-10T23:26:02 that twitches some neuron 2008-09-10T23:27:11 ah, that's what contrib/isn is 2008-09-10T23:28:17 hmm, special indexing support. isn't... that... SPECIAL! 2008-09-10T23:29:01 :) 2008-09-10T23:29:14 but there are some restrictions I think 2008-09-10T23:29:28 thus, just thinking (and a little testing a while back( 2008-09-10T23:30:39 adding http://thebookpile.wordpress.com/category/evergreen/ to the ohloh evergreen news feed 2008-09-10T23:34:26 also adding blog.esilibrary.com to the feed 2008-09-10T23:35:07 *** b_ has quit IRC 2008-09-10T23:43:11 *** dbs has quit IRC 2008-09-10T23:56:35 *** miker_ has quit IRC