2008-09-18T00:00:06 I was musing about putting some basic pieces together in wxPython just for fun 2008-09-18T00:00:13 heh 2008-09-18T00:00:31 that was going to be used at one time 2008-09-18T00:00:43 funny you should mention that... the first UI guy started in wxpython 2008-09-18T00:01:10 heh - didn't know there was a "first UI guy" 2008-09-18T00:01:47 well, he lasted about ... 2 months 2008-09-18T00:02:03 I had to step into his shoes (and even then, just for the client; Bill did OPAC) 2008-09-18T00:02:05 "You guys are crazy, you're on IRC ALL THE TIME" 2008-09-18T00:02:39 more like, "those are great ideas boss, but I think I'll do something completely different" 2008-09-18T00:02:45 * phasefx only knew OpenGL and a little Tk, "miker_ talked us into XUL 2008-09-18T00:03:03 during my interview, no less 2008-09-18T00:03:06 ;) 2008-09-18T00:03:17 well, the convincing came later ;) 2008-09-18T00:03:29 indeed 2008-09-18T00:03:42 so we can heap all the blame on miker_ :D :D 2008-09-18T00:03:59 bring it on, sir ;) 2008-09-18T00:04:10 miker_ "I hate writing UIs" convinced you of the UI toolkit to use... hah 2008-09-18T00:04:12 I'm used to being "that guy" 2008-09-18T00:04:43 I have high hopes for xulrunner; Mozilla Co just needs to see the light (and get thrashed around by Adobe and Microsoft) 2008-09-18T00:04:43 dbs: truth is, I used to like it ... got my fill, I suppose 2008-09-18T00:06:32 phasefx: apple's doing the thrashing now, eh? (webkit makes me feel dirty, though ... I get the feeling that it's a pile-o-hacks for some reason, but I don't know why) 2008-09-18T00:07:12 I haven't really looked into webkit.. my mind turned it into khtml every time I saw it.. I guess it's more, eh? 2008-09-18T00:07:34 ... how many of you work at the same place? 2008-09-18T00:07:59 I'm the odd man out 2008-09-18T00:08:16 (in this discussion, anyway) 2008-09-18T00:08:24 well, even within the same company for some of us, we're still spread out geographically 2008-09-18T00:11:12 phasefx, berick, bradl and I founded Equinox and are the original dev team ... dbs, kbeswick_ and djfiander (in here from time to time) are the canadian contingent (for dev stuffs) ... 2008-09-18T00:11:50 and there are many other contributors of patches and documentation 2008-09-18T00:11:58 don't forget grahamf on the canuck side, he's going to blow past the rest of us canucks in a few more weeks 2008-09-18T00:12:02 there are a few other dev-worthy folks from other Evergreen libraries they poke their head in here 2008-09-18T00:12:07 atheos 2008-09-18T00:12:14 branflakes 2008-09-18T00:12:20 indeed 2008-09-18T00:12:33 _bott_ 2008-09-18T00:12:37 this is why I'll never be allowed to give acceptance speaches :) 2008-09-18T00:13:05 first of all, I'd like to thank the man downstairs 2008-09-18T00:13:14 skmurphy, though she's leaving us for greener pastures 2008-09-18T00:16:27 * FluffyCloud fails to resist the pun... "but what pastures could be greener than Ever Green?" 2008-09-18T00:16:39 evergreener 2008-09-18T00:19:56 anyone play with this thing yet? http://fantasticcontraption.com/ fun stuff :) 2008-09-18T01:03:25 gar... addicting! level 10 2008-09-18T01:26:45 if you get stuck, search youtube.. you'll see some crazy solutions 2008-09-18T01:36:14 * dbs goes beddy-bye 2008-09-18T01:36:33 presentations for this weekend are all done, I can sleep semi-peacefully now 2008-09-18T01:39:44 *** Mark__T has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-18T01:43:47 *** dbs has quit IRC 2008-09-18T01:59:15 http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1763564 2008-09-18T01:59:33 gotta let it go a bit 2008-09-18T02:01:50 haha, that rocks. I think I made a cart jump off of a seesaw with that one 2008-09-18T02:03:07 awesome. i had wondered what another solution would be like :) 2008-09-18T02:05:26 hrmm, they've been changing up the levels since I poked at it 2008-09-18T02:06:03 what number is that one? 2008-09-18T02:06:49 found it 2008-09-18T02:13:57 mine's downright minimalist next to this 2008-09-18T02:13:58 http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1763190 2008-09-18T02:15:12 here's a different one: http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1763811 2008-09-18T02:16:19 i had never even considered machines that self-destruct in order to win 2008-09-18T02:16:22 but there's lots 2008-09-18T02:17:19 yeah, I learned that pretty quick 2008-09-18T02:17:46 there's one I saw that had two catapults.. one catapult shot the target into the air, and the other shot a deflector that the target would hit later 2008-09-18T02:18:20 that was for the Unpossible level 2008-09-18T02:18:53 I'm tempted to pay for this game 2008-09-18T05:16:13 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2008-09-18T10:05:40 * berick checks commit emails 2008-09-18T10:06:29 it's hard to attack in the face of logic 2008-09-18T10:07:05 it seemed logical to me, but I have low self-esteem - as well as a penchant for missing nuances 2008-09-18T10:07:56 now I have a hankering to go looking for client-side manipulation of input :) 2008-09-18T10:09:47 *** gmcharlt has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-09-18T10:09:51 want me to code up the change? 2008-09-18T10:10:30 I'm only sort of leaving for other pastures; I'll still be contributing documentation 2008-09-18T10:10:51 dbs: that would be great.. will respond on list 2008-09-18T10:11:14 (reading backscroll) 2008-09-18T10:15:18 skmurphy_: and for that I am personally overjoyed 2008-09-18T10:15:51 * dbs wonders about stripping hyphens out of ISBNs, too, but lets that rest for now 2008-09-18T10:29:17 * dbs wonders when 1.2.3.1 will land 2008-09-18T10:29:26 * dbs is wonder-full 2008-09-18T10:31:31 *** gmcharlt has quit IRC 2008-09-18T10:33:34 wlayton: thanks for your patch - hope it's the first of many to come our way! 2008-09-18T10:47:00 dbs: I'm hoping for the same thing! 2008-09-18T10:47:27 I'm also hoping that future patches will be more than 1-liners, too 2008-09-18T10:48:30 question on the install: in the tag in opensrf.xml, it says that I can't use localhost... 2008-09-18T10:48:55 If I don't have a fully-qualified domain name, do I have any options? 2008-09-18T10:50:34 wlayton: the output of the Perl command (listed in the example opensrf.xml) will tell what you should use 2008-09-18T10:50:40 doesn't matter if it's fully qualified 2008-09-18T10:50:53 as long as it's the same as what the software is expecting 2008-09-18T11:09:29 and some good news for the future - OpenSRF 1.0 supports localhost 2008-09-18T11:18:28 *** jfournie has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-18T11:19:49 *** jfournie has left #openils-evergreen 2008-09-18T11:23:38 that game is taking up all of my last day at the offic 2008-09-18T11:23:40 e 2008-09-18T11:23:47 curse whoever posted the link! 2008-09-18T11:24:17 *** jamesrf has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-18T11:24:33 skmurphy_: cuz you were going to get /so/ much done on your last day ;) 2008-09-18T11:24:41 i'm trying to pack! 2008-09-18T11:24:44 hahaa 2008-09-18T11:24:49 well drat, then ;) 2008-09-18T11:25:02 my office accumulated a lot of crap in the last year 2008-09-18T12:01:29 *** phase_bb has quit IRC 2008-09-18T13:15:35 *** mlasater has quit IRC 2008-09-18T13:21:48 dbs: That is good news. When will OpenSRF 1.0 be released? 2008-09-18T13:22:31 wlayton: it's a requirement for Evergreen 1.4, so synchronous with Evergreen 1.4 2008-09-18T13:23:38 dbs: good 2008-09-18T13:24:14 berick: I'm on a standalone, networkless machine at the moment, so the Perl command returns nothing... 2008-09-18T13:25:55 wlayton: humor me and try the same command with a newline on the end... 2008-09-18T13:25:58 perl -MNet::Domain -e 'print Net::Domain::hostfqdn()."\n"' 2008-09-18T13:26:05 huh. how are you connected to the internets? :) 2008-09-18T13:26:14 or 2008-09-18T13:26:22 perl -MNet::Domain -e 'print Net::Domain::hostfqdn();' 2008-09-18T13:26:30 (note semicolon at end of command) 2008-09-18T13:27:54 wlayton: this will be the first time i've ever seen that perl command return nothing.. even if all you have is a hostname, that should work 2008-09-18T13:28:08 a new horizon 2008-09-18T13:28:52 berick: I seem to be good at breaking things this week. 2008-09-18T13:29:51 wlayton: so neither command gives you any love? 2008-09-18T13:30:09 what does "hostname" say? 2008-09-18T13:30:10 dbs: Just a sec... 2008-09-18T13:31:30 berick: Your "\n" fix worked! 2008-09-18T13:31:49 Matches the output of 'hostname' (bodleian in both cases) 2008-09-18T13:31:54 muchas gracias 2008-09-18T13:32:19 wlayton: you're sure that the previous iteration of the command wasn't prepending "bodleian" to your prompt? it can be tricky :) 2008-09-18T13:32:52 but berick's variation makes it painfully obvious. so that's good for an edit 2008-09-18T13:33:01 dbs: That's exactly what happened. 2008-09-18T13:35:31 committed a change to opensrf.xml.example in trunk to avoid that from happening again 2008-09-18T13:35:37 dbs++ 2008-09-18T13:38:40 really, that's what the magic configurator script should do 2008-09-18T13:45:31 For the Ubuntu 7.10 install doc, might I suggest placing Step 15 _after_ Step 18? 2008-09-18T13:45:49 15 confused me a bit until I saw how opensrf_core.xml would be changed in step 18 2008-09-18T13:55:03 Also, the last two lines of 18. (II) should be /config/router/trusted_domains/{server, client} (without "/transport/" between "router" and "trusted_domains") 2008-09-18T13:56:34 biab 2008-09-18T14:14:42 *** dbs has quit IRC 2008-09-18T14:16:11 *** dbs has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-18T14:32:29 *** chrissharp123 has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-18T14:49:01 *** bag has quit IRC 2008-09-18T14:51:33 Good! Evergreen 1.2.3.0 is now installed and running on my laptop (running Ubuntu 8.04) 2008-09-18T14:51:40 Thanks for the help 2008-09-18T15:07:49 *** _dkyle_ has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-18T15:20:35 *** dbs has quit IRC 2008-09-18T15:24:52 <_bott_> Has miker_ already headed out of town? 2008-09-18T15:26:18 _bott_: he has 2008-09-18T15:26:44 <_bott_> Well, I'll go ahead and drop a database question anyway... 2008-09-18T15:27:09 drop away 2008-09-18T15:27:10 <_bott_> Can this ever be true? LEFT JOIN $circ circ ON (circ.target_copy = cp.id AND circ.id IS NULL) 2008-09-18T15:27:53 <_bott_> How can you have a circ.target_copy without a circ.id ? Context: http://svn.open-ils.org/trac/ILS/changeset/10078 (line 144) 2008-09-18T15:29:40 _bott_: i can imagine no universe where circ.id IS NULL will result in anything 2008-09-18T15:31:45 <_bott_> berick: that line comes from code which I believe is meant to change the status of items sitting at "Reshelving", which arrived there from "In Process", so they have no action.circulation, to "Available" ...but I can't see this line helping 2008-09-18T15:34:46 hm, so is the purpose of the second clause to find copies that have never circulated? 2008-09-18T15:35:48 * berick notes that this code does not (appear to) fall back to ancestor settings, which will need to be addresssed 2008-09-18T15:35:52 *** bag has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-18T15:45:15 today I've been noticing issues in Trac clicking on "Revision History".. things like, No node /branches/rel_1_2/Evergreen/src/javascript/backend/circ/circ_duration.js at revision 7054 2008-09-18T15:47:37 phasefx: that's cuz revision 7054 was the revision at which that file was removed from trunk (though it's not immediately obvious) 2008-09-18T15:48:31 hey is any of the devs on? 2008-09-18T15:48:57 well you are all devs, bad question 2008-09-18T15:49:35 rickd: what's up? 2008-09-18T15:49:55 *** dbs has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-18T15:49:59 what I meant to say was in worldcat it wants the deep URL for the evergreen catalog for our library, I have tried several links to the opac for the deep url and nothing will work out of worldcat 2008-09-18T15:50:32 rickd: you mean a deep link to the opac home page, focused on your library? 2008-09-18T15:50:42 yep 2008-09-18T15:51:15 http://evergreen.lib.in.us/opac/en-US/skin/default/xml/index.xml?l=HMMPL 2008-09-18T15:51:18 In sirsi it was the generic session link to our catalog, not sure what it is in evergreen 2008-09-18T15:51:38 cool I will try that 2008-09-18T15:54:59 <_bott_> berick: ...back to your "never circulated" question. Yes, that's exactly what I thought. Since there's no checkin_time to refer to on newly added items, it goes on create_date 2008-09-18T15:57:07 _bott_: can I assume this part of the logic is not working as expected in your environment? 2008-09-18T15:59:52 berick: Here is what world cat is looking for: Enter the URL for the screen that displays the results of an ISSN search of your catalog. Here is what we are giving it: http://evergreen.lib.in.us/opac/en-US/skin/default/xml/index.xml?l=HMMPL/?searchdata1= Still not working but when testing it will bring up the catalog but just not the record?? Worldcat helpdesk has no idea either. 2008-09-18T16:00:33 <_bott_> berick: to be honest, I need to check on what's happening in production, I came across this while testing a patch miker_ submitted to trunk back mid-July 2008-09-18T16:01:52 rickd: easiest way to test is to do an issn search in the catalog, and change the url to suit. something like 2008-09-18T16:01:55 http://evergreen.lib.in.us/opac/en-US/skin/default/xml/rresult.xml?l=HMMPL&adv=1234&rt=issn 2008-09-18T16:02:03 but replace 1234 with the issn value 2008-09-18T16:02:19 *** bag_ has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-18T16:03:02 i got that url from doing an issn search from the advanced search page 2008-09-18T16:03:23 just changed the l= variable and trimmed some unnecessary params 2008-09-18T16:03:41 _bott_: came accross as in stuff broke or it just looked wrong? 2008-09-18T16:05:04 <_bott_> berick: came across as in: the query wasn't doing what I expected, but I can't say definitively that was the cause 2008-09-18T16:05:14 gotcha 2008-09-18T16:07:04 _bott_: is it immediately obvious to you what value should replace the ? in the SQL? 2008-09-18T16:07:15 i ask, because I don't know 2008-09-18T16:07:51 <_bott_> berick: the variable passed in (e.g. 24h) 2008-09-18T16:08:14 ah, ok.. i see now.. sth->execute($window, $window) 2008-09-18T16:08:52 _bott_: fwiw, i just ran the query on our dev servers and to 2 copies 2008-09-18T16:08:57 * berick inspects them 2008-09-18T16:10:10 strange, the second copy has circs 2008-09-18T16:18:22 *** bag has quit IRC 2008-09-18T16:19:54 <_bott_> \me bows his head in shame 2008-09-18T16:20:02 <_bott_> I think the light just went on 2008-09-18T16:20:07 _bott_: do tell 2008-09-18T16:20:11 my bulb is dim 2008-09-18T16:20:34 <_bott_> The join is looking at action.circulation 2008-09-18T16:21:22 <_bott_> it's joining in the case that "circ.target_copy=cp.id" AND [in the case that] circ.id is NULL 2008-09-18T16:21:52 <_bott_> I was reading that way too literally 2008-09-18T16:22:15 <_bott_> I really should start reading to the left 2008-09-18T16:22:33 for the staff client, I should be able to login the first time using admin/open-ils as username/pwd? 2008-09-18T16:23:04 _bott_: isn't circ.id IS NULL equivalent to.... FALSE 2008-09-18T16:23:16 wlayton: yes 2008-09-18T16:23:48 berick: if it's a LEFT JOIN, circ.id could be NULL 2008-09-18T16:24:09 berick: I can do "login admin open-ils" from the srfsh, but I get "Login failed" in the staff client 2008-09-18T16:25:05 phasefx: if there can be no physical record in the db where the id is null.. what does that equate to? 2008-09-18T16:25:51 * berick really should just read a book 2008-09-18T16:25:59 I'm just saying, if you have table A, and table B, and table B is empty of rows, and you left join A on B, B.field can be null 2008-09-18T16:26:48 wlayton: what happens when you try to log into the myaccount section of the opac? 2008-09-18T16:26:52 phasefx: interesting 2008-09-18T16:27:13 <_bott_> sorry for chasing my tail publicly 2008-09-18T16:27:52 berick: I can't wait until I can forget all about it 2008-09-18T16:28:22 _bott_: if you want to see some epic tail chasing, i got some irc logs for you ;) 2008-09-18T16:28:37 phasefx: no, that's good stuff 2008-09-18T16:29:19 <_bott_> I usually save this kind for late into the evening 2008-09-18T16:29:45 *** rickd has quit IRC 2008-09-18T16:29:59 here's a good description: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Join_(SQL)#Left_outer_join 2008-09-18T16:30:04 berick: ok, I logged into the OPAC as admin and it asked me to change my pwd. Still no luck with the staff_client, though 2008-09-18T16:30:54 if it doesn't trust my security cert, does that matter? 2008-09-18T16:32:27 wlayton: as long as you can still accept the security cert, you're okay there 2008-09-18T16:33:29 there is a version of xulrunner (some 1.9.x) that throws up a roadblock on self-signed certs.. I haven't had a chance to poke hard at it yet 2008-09-18T16:35:13 phasefx: On the OPAC that's okay, but the staff_client doesn't want to let me log in. 2008-09-18T16:35:54 it complains about an invalid cert, then tells me that login failed (and to check my server hostname, username, pwd, etc) 2008-09-18T16:37:30 wlayton: see if you can grab a 1.8 xulrunner and use it 2008-09-18T16:38:13 if you're using ubuntu, you're probably invoking the xulrunner from the xulrunner-1.9 package 2008-09-18T16:41:22 phasefx: Yep, I've got 1.9. 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