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| # | 09:20:33 | phasefx | dbs: rock #re: n810 |
| # | 09:20:36 | phasefx | now I want one :) |
| # | 09:21:32 | dbs | berick/phasefx: I pointed to the (I think) OpenSRF fixes for http://svn.open-ils.org/trac/ILS/ticket/45 |
| # | 09:22:35 | dbs | phasefx: they're pretty useless devices, imho. gadgets. I'd rather spend $400 on a netbook with a full keyboard than the same for the n810 |
| # | 09:23:23 | mrpeters-isl | hey all, im currently building a .chm helpfile for evergreen from all of our documentation...how tough would it be to replace the "stub" under "Help" with this chm? |
| # | 09:23:41 | phasefx | ah, I felt similarly with an ipaq my old place of work gave me |
| # | 09:25:03 | dbs | Hmm. I'd love for http://svn.open-ils.org/trac/ILS/ticket/40 to get some attention (language picker / openils.I18N broken on everything except Firefox) |
| # | 09:26:12 | dbs | mrpeters-isl: roughly, it's found in Open-ILS/xul/staff_client/chrome/content/main/menu_frame_menus.xul |
| # | 09:29:22 | dbs | phasefx: basic question - can XUL fire off external processes (like invoking the Windows help viewer for CHM)? |
| # | 09:29:40 | phasefx | yes |
| # | 09:30:13 | phasefx | take a peek in print.js for an example of the DOS (LPT1) Print kludge |
| # | 09:30:14 | dbs | cool, so between menu_frame_menus.xul and menu.js mrpeters-isl should be good to go |
| # | 09:30:19 | phasefx | that fires off a batch file :) |
| # | 09:30:31 | dbs hasn't tried printing yet |
| # | 09:31:27 | mrpeters-isl | :) thanks guys |
| # | 09:33:26 | phasefx | mrpeters-isl: eventually we'll be using that Help menu for something more portable than a Windows .chm file, but we can make a preference to toggle between stock behavior and custom behavior |
| # | 09:34:00 | mrpeters-isl | yeah, i wasnt sure how best to make a help file |
| # | 09:34:10 | mrpeters-isl | i wanted something searchable for keywords, and this was the first thing to pop in to my head |
| # | 09:34:17 | mrpeters-isl | but since its all html right now, im sure its easily portable to other formats |
| # | 09:34:25 | phasefx nods |
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| # | 09:39:15 | dbs | I wonder if we should focus on knocking down known bugs in EG 1.4.0.2 and osrf 1.0.4 to get another bugfix release out this week |
| # | 09:55:23 | dbs | *crickets* |
| # | 09:56:26 | phasefx | just give me stuff to shoot and I'll set aside time :) |
| # | 09:58:20 | berick | dbs: i'll look at the language picker problem |
| # | 09:58:39 | berick | prob. later today |
| # | 09:58:54 | dbs | phasefx: how about this one? http://svn.open-ils.org/trac/ILS/ticket/43 |
| # | 09:59:01 | dbs | berick: I love you, man. |
| # | 09:59:55 | dbs | phasefx: I was poking at rdetails.js and friends a bit to try and figure out why the display wasn't working, but the code is a little twisted |
| # | 10:00:46 | phasefx | hrmm.. opac is a box I haven't looked inside of yet |
| # | 10:01:38 | phasefx | I can certainly try though |
| # | 10:02:21 | dbs | phasefx: oh, OPAC was berick's magic? Hmm |
| # | 10:02:32 | dbs | I can give you another one, phasefx - similar issue in the staff client |
| # | 10:03:37 | dbs | create a 4-deep hierarchy, create callnums and copies at the deepest level; the holdings maintenance screen won't respect "Show only libs with holdings" / won't automatically open to your work OU if it's at the deepest level |
| # | 10:03:53 | phasefx | okay, that's something I can poke on |
| # | 10:03:57 | dbs | not even in the n810! |
| # | 10:04:56 | dbs | I'll tackle the cs_CZ broken build thingy, fwiw |
| # | 10:05:04 | phasefx | excellent |
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| # | 11:24:44 | dbs | berick: hmm, mixing HTML into the localized strings is not normally recommended - you don't really want to have translators responsible for ensuring that the <h3></h3> match |
| # | 11:24:48 | dbs | hey robin786! |
| # | 11:30:10 | berick | lmcfarland: ^-- see dbs' comment above |
| # | 11:31:07 | berick | lmcfarland: one solution would be to apply a css class to the element with that translated text that makes it behave like an <h3> element |
| # | 11:31:31 | berick | instead of hard-coding the <h3> into the string |
| # | 11:34:23 | dbs | or (probably naive) something like dojo.create('td', {innerHTML: "<h3>" + localeStrings.SURVEY_FOOT_LABEL + "</h3>", style: "width: 100%"}, footRow); |
| # | 11:40:35 | lmcfarland | I like the idea of adding the html into the dojo.create...any cons to that, that anyone can think of? |
| # | 11:41:40 | berick | no cons here |
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| # | 11:47:02 | dbs | so now we know the secret to berick's industrious productivity: committing stuff on behalf of other devs! :) |
| # | 11:48:17 | berick | sshhhh |
| # | 11:48:18 | dbs | lmcfarland: upon reflection, either way seems like a sane approach. you might want to add a class to the h3 as well, just in case you decide to style it via CSS later |
| # | 11:48:46 | dbs | (if you decide to stuff the h3 in there instead of styling the td directly, natch) |
| # | 11:49:02 | lmcfarland | dbs: good point, thanks :) |
| # | 11:51:09 | phasefx | may want to escape the localized string to prevent <html> in that case |
| # | 11:52:31 | dbs | phasefx: in which case? are you thinking a translator or sys admin is going to try to stuff an HTML document in there to do malicious things? |
| # | 11:53:45 | phasefx | I was thinking of accidents, a < or something as part of a translation |
| # | 11:54:20 | phasefx | common.foo_is_less_than_bar ' %1$s < %2$s ' |
| # | 11:54:45 | dbs | phasefx: ah, I see what you're getting at; as a build-time thing rather than a run-time thing, yeah? |
| # | 11:55:08 | phasefx | well, I was thinking run-time, but build-time might be better |
| # | 11:56:51 | dbs | phasefx: hard to control, really - there are currently some in-localized-string HTML bits that are hard to work around |
| # | 11:56:52 | phasefx | I guess it would already have to be escaped if an entity.. but not as a property.. not sure when in POTS format |
| # | 11:57:01 | dbs | opac.dtd.pot:msgid "Selected field does <u>not</u> contain the following words" |
| # | 11:57:09 | phasefx | mmmm |
| # | 11:57:45 | phasefx | maybe down the road just have a process that checks for and warns for such things |
| # | 11:58:10 | dbs | Yeah. I think build-time warning on those sorts of things is a good approach |
| # | 11:58:41 | dbs | Ideally you don't have that situation occur at all. but reality conflicts... |
| # | 12:00:25 | dbs | robin786: btw, I'm Dan Scott -- assuming you're Robin from Algoma? |
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| # | 12:09:09 | robin786 | hey everyone i am indeed robin form algoma, sorry for the delay, logged in and my boss called me away |
| # | 12:10:34 | robin786 | dan, you suggested i start with recalls, that works for me, has anyone out there started or is working on something already? |
| # | 12:15:14 | dbs | robin786: as far as I know, there is nothing underway |
| # | 12:15:28 | dbs | green fields :) |
| # | 12:16:43 | robin786 | ok good (safe) place to jump in |
| # | 12:16:47 | robin786 | :) |
| # | 12:17:34 | robin786 | I'll ask for comments on the conifer group, Mcmaster seemed to have a very complex sort of thing going on |
| # | 12:19:10 | dbs | robin786: sounds like a good place to start - our requirements are pretty minimal, we do about 50 (manual!) recalls a year; windsor does more than that; mcmaster sounded like they issued recalls every minute |
| # | 12:20:32 | robin786 | lol! i know, I'm thinking of a simple system backed up with a rules wizard kinda thing for the power users like mcm |
| # | 12:22:21 | robin786 | what do you think? |
| # | 12:22:29 | robin786 | back in 5 min - boss calling |
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| # | 12:25:35 | dchriste | Hi folks. I'm having a problem running autogen.sh after changing the library hierarchy (this is a new install of 1.4, so no real data to worry about)... |
| # | 12:26:11 | dchriste | I get "Updating fieldmapper" and then "No Response from settings server... going to sleep" |
| # | 12:27:13 | lisppaste6 | dchrise pasted "osrfsys.log section for autogen" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/76368 |
| # | 12:28:02 | dchriste | I'm not sure where to begin poking at this... :-) |
| # | 12:33:14 | dchriste | Doing a "ps wax |grep OpenSRF" shows controller, master, listener, and 5 drones for [opensrf.settings] |
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| # | 12:34:14 | dchriste | I can do a "login admin open-ils" from srfsh |
| # | 12:38:09 | dchriste | What would be the syntax for calling opensrf.settings.host_config.get from srfsh? (I've never really used srfsh before.... are there docs?) |
| # | 12:42:58 | natschil | dchristie: I'm not sure, but try something like "request opensrf.settings.host_config.get" and then add some arguments (note: I'm not sure this will work) |
| # | 12:45:25 | natschil | dchristie: sorry, I think "request opensrf.settings host_config.get" would work better |
| # | 12:46:17 | dchriste | Hmm...Received Exception: |
| # | 12:47:00 | dchriste | Name: osrfMethodException Status: Method [host_config.get] not found for OpenSRF::Application::Settings |
| # | 12:48:10 | dchriste | I don't see a Settings.pm in /openils/lib/perl5/OpenILS/Application... ? |
| # | 12:48:12 | natschil | dchristie: probably the command was wrong, I havn't used srfsh a lot myself, so probably I am not a good adviser :) |
| # | 12:48:21 | dchriste | :-) |
| # | 12:49:36 | natschil | ptw: has anyone used the virtualbox ubuntu 1.4 image? |
| # | 12:51:19 | dchriste | natschil: nope, sorry |
| # | 12:53:38 | robin786 | me neither, sorry |
| # | 12:57:02 | robin786 | speaking of local installs, the IT dept here is setting up a server for me to play on :) and want to know which OS install, should i go with debian or umbuntu? |
| # | 12:57:19 | robin786 | does it make any difference really? |
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| # | 13:09:18 | natschil | robin786: well, they are both very similar, ubuntu is basically of a derivative of debain, so I don't think it makes a difference. Just make sure you have the right version, as e.g the newest ubuntu doesn't provide postgresql8.2 |
| # | 13:11:13 | robin786 | right! that's what I'm after |
| # | 13:11:23 | robin786 | which version of umbuntu would you recommend |
| # | 13:11:45 | natschil | well, I myself have very little experience of using evergreen, I've only installed it on ubuntu 8.4 |
| # | 13:12:04 | robin786 | if you know off the top of your head, it could save me some time, if not, don't worry about it |
| # | 13:12:06 | natschil | and that wasn't a successful install :), still working on getting it to work |
| # | 13:14:25 | natschil | robin786: ubuntu 8.04 = ubuntu hardy heron. There might be some issues with postgresql 8.3 and 8.2 getting mixed up though, as when installing the prequisites it installs postgresql-client8.3, when version 8.2 is available. I don't know if this is a problem, so I just changed the prequisites installer to install 8.2, but I don't know if it makes a difference. If you get something with postgresql version numbers mixed up, maybe you should check |
| # | 13:14:26 | natschil | that |
| # | 13:14:40 | natschil | evergreen requires postgresql 8.2 |
| # | 13:16:52 | dbs | sorry robin786 - split for lunch |
| # | 13:17:28 | robin786 | no prob |
| # | 13:17:38 | robin786 | thanks natschill! |
| # | 13:18:52 | dbs | robin786: I just committed the patch to rel_1_4 branch that enables it to work with PostgreSQL 8.3. Debian Lenny is probably your best bet |
| # | 13:19:10 | robin786 | yeah, i'm aware of the need for 8.2, was wondering if there was a distro of debian or umbuntu that bundled that version to save some trouble |
| # | 13:19:25 | robin786 | ok Lenny it is! |
| # | 13:19:27 | robin786 | thanks! |
| # | 13:20:26 | natschil | dchristie : about what you said earlier about srfsh: you could try doing "introspect opensrf.settings" and searching the output of that for host_config.get |
| # | 13:21:23 | natschil | robin786: yeah, ubuntu 8.04 does bundly postgresql 8.2, but the prequisite installer installs some 8.3 packages, but I'm sure lenny will work well as well |
| # | 13:21:44 | robin786 | thanks |
| # | 13:24:43 | dbs | dchriste / natschil : request opensrf.settings opensrf.settings.host_config.get "/bootstrap" |
| # | 13:24:48 | dbs | will give you better results |
| # | 13:25:21 | natschil | thanks dbs, finally someone is here who really understands evergreen :) |
| # | 13:25:39 | dbs | robin786: what I'm saying is that you can just use pgsql 8.3 as of rel_1_4 branch... unofficially, of course |
| # | 13:26:18 | dbs | but that would match our current environment on dwarf, which would be a good thing :) |
| # | 13:27:48 | jeff | sounds like the more people running 8.3 in test/dev environments the better :) |
| # | 13:27:49 | robin786 | yup thanks dbs |
| # | 13:28:03 | dbs | jeff: that's my take on it :) |
| # | 13:28:14 | jeff | (of course, i say that and we'll have something committed that breaks 8.2 in production somewhere else... ;) |
| # | 13:28:41 | natschil | dbs: Are there any problems related to doing that ? (using postgresql 8.3) |
| # | 13:29:53 | dbs | natschil: if you're comfortable working with a branch (rel_1_4) rather than a release (1.4.0.2), then I don't think so. ... but ... I can't guarantee it. and working with a branch can mean other kinds of pain. |
| # | 13:30:28 | dbs | phasefx: is this still a bug? http://svn.open-ils.org/trac/ILS/ticket/28 - if so, we should probably put a version / milestone on it |
| # | 13:30:50 | natschil | dbs: yeah, maybe I should get the release working first, before I try the branch :) |
| # | 13:32:19 | dbs resumes battle with http://svn.open-ils.org/trac/ILS/ticket/43 which is probably public enemy # 1 for his library at the moment |
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| # | 13:40:25 | jeff | are there any utility js functions available to the staff client for "add this as an argument to this url, using ?foo=bar or &foo=bar as appropriate? |
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| # | 13:41:59 | phasefx | dbs: still a bug # 43 |
| # | 13:42:21 | dbs | phasefx: 43, yes. 28? |
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| # | 13:45:57 | phasefx | dbs: sorry, meant 28 |
| # | 13:46:49 | jeff | there's another aspect to that. |
| # | 13:47:05 | jeff | you can generate patron credit from patron credit by overpaying and selecting "apply change as patron credit" |
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| # | 14:06:13 | dchriste | dbs: thanks - that (the srfsh request) returns a whole whack of data, so I'm guessing that's not the problem.... |
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| # | 14:41:51 | dchriste | Anyone else here seen the "No Response from settings server...going to sleep" when running autogen.sh? |
| # | 14:42:12 | dchriste | or is it just me? :-/ |
| # | 14:42:50 | dbs | dchriste: I would double-check your opensrf and router usernames and passwords and hostnames in opensrf_core.xml |
| # | 14:43:51 | dchriste | dbs: will do, thanks.... |
| # | 14:52:15 | jeffdavis | possibly stupid question: why does EG 1.4 want to install postgres 8.3 on intrepid? |
| # | 14:52:21 | dchriste | dbs: looks ok, all according to server:1.4.0:install doc on the wiki |
| # | 14:52:47 | dchriste | jeffdavis: no postgres 8.2 on intrepid.... :-( |
| # | 14:52:48 | jeff | jeffdavis: specifically what package name? |
| # | 14:52:59 | dbs | jeffdavis: not stupid, but is it just installing the client and dev bits? |
| # | 14:53:17 | jeffdavis | dbs: yeah, just those. |
| # | 14:53:40 | dbs | so - pgsql 8.3 client bits happily connect to down-level servers |
| # | 14:53:49 | jeffdavis | ah, ok, cool. |
| # | 14:53:52 | dchriste | jeffdavis: also, heads-up.... perl 5.10 installed by default |
| # | 14:53:55 | dbs | as for the server-dev bits, they could probably be thrown out |
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| # | 14:54:55 | jeffdavis | dchriste: thanks! |
| # | 15:02:49 | jeffdavis looks into downgrading perl and starts to get a headache... |
| # | 15:05:11 | dbs | why downgrading perl? |
| # | 15:07:38 | jeffdavis | is 5.10 reliable for running EG? |
| # | 15:07:46 | jeffdavis | I thought there was an issue there. |
| # | 15:08:50 | dbs | jeffdavis: on intrepid, there's a stupid warning that gets thrown, but it doesn't affect anything to my knowledge |
| # | 15:09:23 | dbs | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/perl/+bug/303765 - scares people, but that's about it |
| # | 15:10:28 | jeffdavis feels his headache disappear |
| # | 15:10:56 | dbs | jeffdavis: of course, if something doesn't work there I'm not to blame :) |
| # | 15:11:11 | jeffdavis | heheh. |
| # | 15:11:33 | jeffdavis | fortunately, it's a personal test install. I can be a guinea pig. |
| # | 15:12:24 | dbs | guinea_pigs++ |
| # | 15:17:22 | dchriste | there was something else about 5.10.... I think a perl library path somewhere was/is looking in the perl 5.8 directories? |
| # | 15:17:31 | dchriste wishes he'd written that bit down.... |
| # | 15:35:57 | dchriste | Another strange bit that may or may not have anything to do with my autogen woes: my apache2 error.log has a bunch (5) of "No Response from settings server... going to sleep" as well. |
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| # | 18:11:37 | dbs | lmcfarland / berick: getting "dijit.CheckedMenuItem is not a constructor" error on survey page, fyi |
| # | 18:13:17 | dbs | hmm, one sec... |
| # | 18:15:04 | dbs | it helps to be running with dojo 1.2 - duh |
| # | 18:15:05 | dbs | dbs-- |
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